I know it’s up to the natives, that’s why I’m asking. Because if they choose to build an oppressive system then those with power within the new system are the new oppressors to fight, and it would be nice to avoid that.
Oppressors can only exist if there are oppressed. It’s a dialectical relationship. And if you give the land back and the stewardship of the land into the hand of the oppressed, there won’t be an oppressive system by the definition of what oppression is. Could a new oppressive system (lets just say capitalism from now on) arise from that? Sure, even the USSR wasn’t immune to liberalism festering in it’s vanguard party leading to a complete collapse.
In fact, the soviet system and the october revolution with its subsequent wars give a good idea what giving the land to the people that work on it looks like.
There’s a weird dissonance in these conversations where “justice” turns into “poetic justice” without the speaker realizing it. It’s an ironic reversal of positions that sounds good without any rational backing for why it would be good.
Would it be a satisfying narrative loop to result in indigenous people retaking what they historically had? Of course.
Does being a member of a marginalized group grant some specific virtue that makes you a just leader or caretaker? …Maybe tangentially? At the very least you might have more practical understanding of oppression.
Does being in a marginalized group that has a bloodline traced to an arbitrarily collection of humans who once lived in a place give you some inherent “connectedness” to (or “ownership” of) that place?..
No. That’s actually a pretty fucked up line of reasoning. That kind of argument is what propped up “Europe for Aryans” and “Blacks back to Africa”.
Your value in a community is in the bonds you have to it. Sure, some of those are family bonds, but a lifetime is far more than just that. We’re strengthened by our living connections to each other today, not by our unchosen connections to a string of dead people who can’t reciprocate.
None of us can go back in time and reverse genocides; how can those tragedies get special correction beyond curing the echoes of injustice that exist today?
In my opinion there are two simple facts:
People can housed, fed and have their specific needs cared for regardless of background
The core value in acknowledging the past is in correcting our course on current and future injustice
If we were committed to live by those the rest becomes moot.
I know it’s up to the natives, that’s why I’m asking. Because if they choose to build an oppressive system then those with power within the new system are the new oppressors to fight, and it would be nice to avoid that.
Oppressors can only exist if there are oppressed. It’s a dialectical relationship. And if you give the land back and the stewardship of the land into the hand of the oppressed, there won’t be an oppressive system by the definition of what oppression is. Could a new oppressive system (lets just say capitalism from now on) arise from that? Sure, even the USSR wasn’t immune to liberalism festering in it’s vanguard party leading to a complete collapse.
In fact, the soviet system and the october revolution with its subsequent wars give a good idea what giving the land to the people that work on it looks like.
There’s a weird dissonance in these conversations where “justice” turns into “poetic justice” without the speaker realizing it. It’s an ironic reversal of positions that sounds good without any rational backing for why it would be good.
Would it be a satisfying narrative loop to result in indigenous people retaking what they historically had? Of course.
Does being a member of a marginalized group grant some specific virtue that makes you a just leader or caretaker? …Maybe tangentially? At the very least you might have more practical understanding of oppression.
Does being in a marginalized group that has a bloodline traced to an arbitrarily collection of humans who once lived in a place give you some inherent “connectedness” to (or “ownership” of) that place?..
No. That’s actually a pretty fucked up line of reasoning. That kind of argument is what propped up “Europe for Aryans” and “Blacks back to Africa”.
Your value in a community is in the bonds you have to it. Sure, some of those are family bonds, but a lifetime is far more than just that. We’re strengthened by our living connections to each other today, not by our unchosen connections to a string of dead people who can’t reciprocate.
None of us can go back in time and reverse genocides; how can those tragedies get special correction beyond curing the echoes of injustice that exist today?
In my opinion there are two simple facts:
If we were committed to live by those the rest becomes moot.