There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
Ok, but what does this have to do with the law & order comment? Because inseminating a cow isn’t sexual assault or rape and I’ve never implied that the cows feel pleasure from it.
Just that the cows don’t really seem to mind it. So I’d question that it even should be considered animal abuse.
You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO
Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence or maybe, even cannot test for it- which totally disagree, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.
You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions?
Nope, that’s why I’m sure as hell not getting behind a cow or horse and putting my hand up any hole. But apparently the people that do that know their emotions well enough to know they aren’t about to get a hoof to the forehead, so these experts do exist.
I live in Rodeo & the animals of rodeo country & I can tell you they are beaten down, so much that they have to be hurt to get in rodeo action, that “people” loves so much. Same is applied to all animals industries, you conditioned under those situations, even if you have never interacted (directly or not) with. Same applies to the “people” around it, like the facts always say, cops-military “people” do not have highest suicidal (SP?) rates in The USA (doubt much different everywhere else that other Beings are treated this way) it is “people” in animals meat processing plants.
Yeah, I don’t know anything about rodeo, sounds fucked up. But I’ve never witness any horse or cow beaten down at any of the local farms around the area where I grew up.
I have seen horrible conditions the private farmed animals, not just cows-steers-calves (I stupidly have not mentioned much about them, if result in such processes for in far future selling to meat industries), for profits of slaughtering & eating.
Two-examples (private farms, next door let male & female do it naturally, not selling their milk) are just summer thunder storms results in mud up to the area between cows’-steers’ ankles & knees.
Hoof problems anyone, Around this area private farms with this problem, because destruction of the land, refuse to admit it happens.
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I hear some & off & on cows-steers-calves coughing, sneezing & breathing with congestion.
If people lived next door to just these non-industrialized private farm, then they would eventually become Vegan.
If people lived next door to just these non-industrialized private farm, then they would eventually become Vegan.
Heh, I’ve seen this said sooooo many times, but I feel like the opposite is true. I grew up in a small village, a few hundred people. We didn’t have a farm ourselves but many of my friends did, so I hung out around them a lot.
I don’t claim to know everything about the conditions because of that, but I did see someone put their arm inside a cow and horse and my grandma once showed me how to slaughter a rabbit (we ate it later), so it’s not like I was sheltered from the more graphic aspects.
Yet, when I look back at the people in my life (and I’m quite old and moved around a lot), all the vegans I know are city people. I’m really not aware of any vegans from my home area, which is much more rural. Being around animals in a farm setting doesn’t seem to make people vegan, it desensitises them, at least in my experience.
For context: I’m talking about a rural area in southern Germany, I’m can’t really say how things are in other regions.
Not easy to witness here either, unless it is jut sick private farming (concuss damage witnessing, what cannot be hidden, water damage, noise-disturbing neighbors’ sleep & smells-methane & Etc. environmental pollutions-damages & Etc…), which I have right next door.
Beaten-up is a loaded term, doing such things are not the only violence that happens & degrees of it.
As I have said before we, since I live in it to, can become conditioned, along with all other “Beings & people”, affecting the witnessing cruelty. I fight to keep myself as a member of our species.
Keep in mind all the lands (& the Beings on them) that used to be a lot better, in my case my deceased grandparents owned the property next door & had a forest of trees everywhere (one area so much, think it was indigenous & naturally occurring, failed nursery attempt)- protected their nearly untouched & formerly crappy home during worse hurricane, that spun off (on us & more) the worse tornado to hit our state. Heck, before our species dominated the land it was a natural wetland, unfortunately before corner into ever shrinking world celebrated Natural Park.
WTF are you even talking about? I’ve haven’t said or implied anything of the like.
There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn’t really one of them. I’ve seen the process with my own eyes … the cows don’t care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.
I live in a Unincorporated (important to hiding the truth of practices, add rodeo training to all of what we are talking about) & Ag. area (I could never really say it is a community, though before the realization I used to, few care about each other), but I have never seen the practice first hand, no sick pun here.
Just factually be given what the procedure of sticking almost one’s entire arm in the cow’s body (not for the cows’ health is bad enough, but does not stop there) is, even can be understood through Public Media’s ‘Creatures Great & Small’, done a ton there is enough. It is like we cannot avoid the country lifestyle, which supports other Beings abuse like this, since 2000s (even more so accepted, than before).
Ok, but what does this have to do with the law & order comment? Because inseminating a cow isn’t sexual assault or rape and I’ve never implied that the cows feel pleasure from it.
Just that the cows don’t really seem to mind it. So I’d question that it even should be considered animal abuse.
See previous post,
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You are the expert on cows expressions & emotions? NO Plus just because we are not looking for their intelligence or maybe, even cannot test for it- which totally disagree, does not mean it does not exist. I would say ask a Indian (not a indigenous person, though their believes in other beings are also important to this discussion), but that leads into religions.
Nope, that’s why I’m sure as hell not getting behind a cow or horse and putting my hand up any hole. But apparently the people that do that know their emotions well enough to know they aren’t about to get a hoof to the forehead, so these experts do exist.
LOL, come on man,
I live in Rodeo & the animals of rodeo country & I can tell you they are beaten down, so much that they have to be hurt to get in rodeo action, that “people” loves so much. Same is applied to all animals industries, you conditioned under those situations, even if you have never interacted (directly or not) with. Same applies to the “people” around it, like the facts always say, cops-military “people” do not have highest suicidal (SP?) rates in The USA (doubt much different everywhere else that other Beings are treated this way) it is “people” in animals meat processing plants.
Yeah, I don’t know anything about rodeo, sounds fucked up. But I’ve never witness any horse or cow beaten down at any of the local farms around the area where I grew up.
I have seen horrible conditions the private farmed animals, not just cows-steers-calves (I stupidly have not mentioned much about them, if result in such processes for in far future selling to meat industries), for profits of slaughtering & eating. Two-examples (private farms, next door let male & female do it naturally, not selling their milk) are just summer thunder storms results in mud up to the area between cows’-steers’ ankles & knees. Hoof problems anyone, Around this area private farms with this problem, because destruction of the land, refuse to admit it happens. & I hear some & off & on cows-steers-calves coughing, sneezing & breathing with congestion.
If people lived next door to just these non-industrialized private farm, then they would eventually become Vegan.
Heh, I’ve seen this said sooooo many times, but I feel like the opposite is true. I grew up in a small village, a few hundred people. We didn’t have a farm ourselves but many of my friends did, so I hung out around them a lot.
I don’t claim to know everything about the conditions because of that, but I did see someone put their arm inside a cow and horse and my grandma once showed me how to slaughter a rabbit (we ate it later), so it’s not like I was sheltered from the more graphic aspects.
Yet, when I look back at the people in my life (and I’m quite old and moved around a lot), all the vegans I know are city people. I’m really not aware of any vegans from my home area, which is much more rural. Being around animals in a farm setting doesn’t seem to make people vegan, it desensitises them, at least in my experience.
For context: I’m talking about a rural area in southern Germany, I’m can’t really say how things are in other regions.
Not easy to witness here either, unless it is jut sick private farming (concuss damage witnessing, what cannot be hidden, water damage, noise-disturbing neighbors’ sleep & smells-methane & Etc. environmental pollutions-damages & Etc…), which I have right next door.
Beaten-up is a loaded term, doing such things are not the only violence that happens & degrees of it.
As I have said before we, since I live in it to, can become conditioned, along with all other “Beings & people”, affecting the witnessing cruelty. I fight to keep myself as a member of our species.
Keep in mind all the lands (& the Beings on them) that used to be a lot better, in my case my deceased grandparents owned the property next door & had a forest of trees everywhere (one area so much, think it was indigenous & naturally occurring, failed nursery attempt)- protected their nearly untouched & formerly crappy home during worse hurricane, that spun off (on us & more) the worse tornado to hit our state. Heck, before our species dominated the land it was a natural wetland, unfortunately before corner into ever shrinking world celebrated Natural Park.