A have a family member who is full MAGA and does exactly this. Then he will describe something that he thinks is a good idea, and when I point out to him that he is describing socialism he denies it. It is very frustrating!
I have tried, for sure. Certain things he seems rational about and can get some agreement. Then he will say something sexist, racist, and/or xenophobic which invalidates what we just talked about.
I guess it mostly invalidates what he said previously. Like we can agree that the US government will take away people’s rights if left unchecked by the people, but then he will say that the government needs to deport all immigrants without care for due process, lock black and brown people for protesting, and to keep women out of leadership positions.
I point out the contradictions, but he says it still makes sense to him.
First of all: kudos to you for still not having given up talking to that guy. I think I can imagine that frustration.
Maybe, instead of pointing out the contradiction, you can try to make him realize how the lack of due process, locking up protestors and keeping groups of people out of leadership positions will hurt him in the end.
I found out a really good way to describe how I feel in these situations. Ball up your fist then in a single swing knock your family member to the ground. If you completed step 2 pat yourself on the back comrade
A have a family member who is full MAGA and does exactly this. Then he will describe something that he thinks is a good idea, and when I point out to him that he is describing socialism he denies it. It is very frustrating!
Is it possible to direct these conversations away from semantics? It seems you two actually agree on stuff, but not on hou both of you call it.
Just don’t call the stuff you agree on socialism and focus on how Trump actually fights against this.
I have tried, for sure. Certain things he seems rational about and can get some agreement. Then he will say something sexist, racist, and/or xenophobic which invalidates what we just talked about.
How does it invalidate the things you agree on? Or does it make you not want to talk to him nnymore?
Because you can explain why sexism/racism/whatever is counterproductive on a tactical/logical level without bringing morals into the mix.
I guess it mostly invalidates what he said previously. Like we can agree that the US government will take away people’s rights if left unchecked by the people, but then he will say that the government needs to deport all immigrants without care for due process, lock black and brown people for protesting, and to keep women out of leadership positions.
I point out the contradictions, but he says it still makes sense to him.
First of all: kudos to you for still not having given up talking to that guy. I think I can imagine that frustration.
Maybe, instead of pointing out the contradiction, you can try to make him realize how the lack of due process, locking up protestors and keeping groups of people out of leadership positions will hurt him in the end.
Please keep that in mind next time a democrat tells you they have to move further right to win voters. Your family member is very far from unique.
I found out a really good way to describe how I feel in these situations. Ball up your fist then in a single swing knock your family member to the ground. If you completed step 2 pat yourself on the back comrade
Sometimes that becomes very tempting!
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