- cross-posted to:
- Aii@programming.dev
- cross-posted to:
- Aii@programming.dev
The Department of War has stated they will only contract with AI companies who accede to “any lawful use” and remove safeguards in the cases mentioned above. They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as essential to national security.
Regardless, these threats do not change our position: we cannot in good conscience accede to their request.
It is the Department’s prerogative to select contractors most aligned with their vision. But given the substantial value that Anthropic’s technology provides to our armed forces, we hope they reconsider. Our strong preference is to continue to serve the Department and our warfighters—with our two requested safeguards in place. Should the Department choose to offboard Anthropic, we will work to enable a smooth transition to another provider, avoiding any disruption to ongoing military planning, operations, or other critical missions. Our models will be available on the expansive terms we have proposed for as long as required.
Are we not moving toward AGI? Because from where I stand, I only see three scenarios: either AI research is going backwards, no progress is being made whatsoever, or we’re continuing to improve our systems incrementally - inevitably moving toward AGI. Unless, ofcourse, you think we’ll never going to reach it which I view as a quite insane claim in itself.
If we’re not moving toward it, then I’d love to hear your explanation for why we’re moving backwards or not making any progress at all.
Whether we’re 5 or 500 years away from AGI is completely irrelevant to the people who worry about it. It’s not the speed of the progress - it’s the trajectory of it.
We are not “moving towards AGI” in any way with any modern technology, in the same way that we are not “moving towards FTL travel” because a car company added cylinders to an engine.
The real “AI” dangers are people like Eli Yudkowski, a man who scares vulnerable people, sexually abuses them, and has spawned at least one murderous cult.
Dario is one of the biggest AGI bullshit peddlers.
So that means you believe AI research is completely frozen still or moving backwards. Please explain.
Comparisons to faster-than-light travel are completely disingenuous and bad faith - that would break the laws of physics and you know it.
You can also keep your red herrings to yourself. I’m discussing ideas here - not people.
According to Dario Amodei, this is the year we are getting New Science. And apparently he believes in Dyson Spheres too. How do we feel about that?
Anthropic is not special. They’re doing the LLM thing like everybody else. The Godfather of AI, Yann LeCun himself, said LLMs were a dead end on this front. But even if he didn’t chime in, it’s your job to show they’ll lead to AGI, it’s your job to show us how, not my job to show you it won’t.
If you’re just gonna keep ignoring every single point I make and keep rambling about unrelated shit, then there’s nothing left to discuss here. If you actually had an argument, you would’ve made it by now.
Your claim: AI seems to be getting better, therefore AGI will happen
My rebuttal: they aren’t linked
Other important things you must reconcile with: the sexual abuse, the death toll, etc from the True Believers
Does that clear matters up?
My argument is that we’ll incrementally keep improving our technology like we have done throughout human history. Assuming that general intelligence is not substrate dependent - meaning that what our brains are doing cannot be replicated in silicon - or that we destroy ourselves before we get there, then it’s just a matter of time before we create a system that’s as intelligent as we are: AGI.
I already said that the timescale doesn’t matter here. It could take a hundred years or two thousand - doesn’t matter. We’re still moving toward it. It does not matter how slow you move. As long as you keep moving, you’ll eventually reach your destination.
So, how I see it is that if we never end up creating AGI ever, it’s either because we destroyed ourselves before we got there or there’s something borderline supernatural about the human brain that makes it impossible to copy in silicon.
So do you think Dyson Spheres are inevitable too? Because things advance?
You’re also shifting your goalposts tremendously. First you were implying that today’s AI would bring about AGI and now you’re saying that something, somewhere, might happen in some sci-fi future.
I’m not sure if you’re actually worried about present day destruction, though, because you seemed to not like it when I brought up with the AGI true believers are doing to the vulnerable people that flock to them. Dario is on board with Trump’s fossil fuel, anti-green buildout too.
If you believe so much in AI, but allegedly believe in the things you’ve talked about, perhaps it’s time to start criticizing the people you hold so dear.
I’m less certain about that than I am about AGI - there may be other ways to produce that same amount of energy with less effort - but generally speaking, yeah, it seems highly probable to me.
I’ve never made such a claim. I’ve been saying the exact same thing since around 2016 or so - long before LLMs were even a thing. It’s in no way obvious to me that LLMs are the path to AGI. They could be, but they don’t have to be. Either way, it doesn’t change my core argument.
C’moon now.