Horde here. If you get any Linux OS with KDE plasma as desktop it’ll feel pretty much the same as Windows, if you’re not a computer person you’ll likely not even notice the difference. Install the KDE version of EndeavorOS for example. Horde end

Where are you writing this from?

I realize that. But it helps when thinking about the behavior, as what I said is also true. He’s elderly and still a child at the same time.

It’s not really “elderly”. He just never matured from the “child” stage, and those mental states can be pretty similar in some regards.

It’s easier and nicer. But it’s also shitty because of what you mentioned.

The thing is, that’s how it’s going to stay unless people stop using it. You can get this info you mentioned somewhere else, or simply don’t need it, as I said, yes it’s harder and less nice to live without it, but it’s not like you can’t live without live traffic data or whatever. Start using CoMaps, contribute to open street map, leave reviews on other review aggregators, etc etc

You don’t, I’m saying it would still mostly work. Getting messages as they arrive is nice but not necessary. For example, I personally have all notifications off, and I only see messages when I specifically look for them, no one can reach me instantly. Everyone seems to be missing that we’re talking about degradation here, it degrades, it gets worse with JS disabled. But it shouldn’t straight up not work.

A good example for something that does not work without JS would have been a drawing application like they said, or games, there are plenty of things that literally do not work without JS, but messaging is not one of them. Instant messaging would be of course.

The web interface can already be reloaded at any time and has to do all of this. You seem to be missing we’re talking about degradation here, remember the definition of the word, it means it isn’t as good as when JS is enabled. The point is it should still work somehow.

There’s a difference between “wouldn’t work” and “wouldn’t work as nicely”. That’s what this post is about :D Most websites would still work in the same basic way without js.

requiring JS makes sense on some sites, namely those that act more like web apps that let you do stuff (like WhatsApp

I mean yes, but Whatsapp is a bad example. It could easily use no JavaScript. In the end it’s the same as Lemmy or any other forum. You could post a message, get a new page with the message. Switching chats is loading a new page. Of course JavaScript enhances the experience, makes it more fluid, etc, but messengers could work perfectly fine without JavaScript.