Hmm, it would require a pro hac vice admission.

Would that be North African Lawyer, or North American Lawyer?

In any case, we’re splitting the cheque. /s

If it’s not court tested, I’m guessing we can assume a legal theory that breaks all software licensing will not hold up.

Like, maybe the code snippets that are AI-made themselves can be stolen, but not different parts of the project.

If there was an actual civil suit you’d probably be able to subpoena people for that information, and the standard is only more likely than not. I have no idea if the general idea is bullshit, though.

IANAL

By that same logic LLMs themselves (by now some AI bro had to vibe code something there)

I’m guessing LLMs are still really really bad at that kind of programming. The packaging of the LLM, sure.

& their trained datapoints

For legal purposes, it seems like the weights would be generated by the human-made training algorithm. I have no idea if that’s copyrightable under US law. The standard approach seems to be to keep them a trade secret and pretend there’s no espionage, though.

According to someone else in this thread it was written by the founder and owner, as well. You can still publish weird predatory shit about a tween now, although you’d probably try to stay anonymous.

Oh okay. But the point that it sure has grown stands.

That’s actually amazing, and I think I just spawned a new project.

(Y’know, to distract from all the other ones)

Sure?

We both agreed that the late 20th century – broadly, the period from the early 1990s onward for a decade or so – had mostly been one of fairly steady improvement.

Ah yes, a famously bubble-free period. /s

Talking to old-timers, and reading history, it sounds more like revolving hype cycles have been around for the whole industrial age. TBF they do touch on that timeline later and correct themselves a bit.

Some were dumber than others. Foo-as-a-service wasn’t even a new concept, that’s just called renting shit out!

It would be bigger, which would have no surprise value.

Also if you added empire, it would look like propaganda.

But it’s actually grown. It fully didn’t exist 70 years ago.

LLMs don’t just memorise their training data, though.

“It’s not what you know, it’s who you know”

Honestly just the fact you can become a coder and get paid for it is impressive, by the historical human society average.

Like 99% of the recorded ones are going to be one empire or feudal lord fighting another. History was just like that until the last couple hundreds of years.

Since then, there’s been a few much more clear-cut cases, like WWII or Ukraine, but those are unusual. There’s still been a lot of asshole-on-asshole fights like WWI, Russia Empire vs. Japan, Iran vs. Iraq, Napoleon vs. everyone…

Obviously we talk a lot about the just ones, because they legitimately teach us things, and also simply because it makes for a better story.

Edit: The basic thing you said about arms races is totally valid, but the struggle between different ideas and own own better and worse natures is itself kind of a perpetual cycle, and I thought I should point it out.

I mean, which boundaries and wishes are reasonable is itself a disagreed on concept. In warfare usually both sides are assholes.

Not exactly. Share price is some multiple of expected future yearly profit, depending on accompanying variability/risk.

And sometimes share prices or profits suffer and technology doesn’t care. Ask Blockbuster.

Interesting. My experiences with FORTRAN made me expect the worst.

But what if you don’t get it?

Ed. /s

(Except actually I guess that could happen)

Wow there’s some really bad deals here!

History is full of trendy hustles, but people aren’t usually dumb enough to keep falling for them forever. Probably that will apply to these, too, and a lot of shitty subscriptions will go the way of the Juicero.

It’s worth mentioning renting rather than owning isn’t an intrinsically bad concept. Owning your own bus probably doesn’t interest you, and while streaming costs are going up, it’s still a better deal than buying a DVD you watch once.

You have to think when the infamous “own nothing and being happy” quote was coined, they were imaging there still was a nice diversified portfolio of investments in the background, which amounts to owning a small piece of everything.