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NOT on by default
This is a Private OS. They should not have this integration, since there are more than enough FOSS alternatives.
for paying customers only
Dosent change my point.
tries to anonymize the data
Tries. Tries. Tries.
They claim to be private. They incorporate a non private Service even though there are valid alternatives. Thats where this discussion starts and ends.
privacy-first company
is a Privacy first company.
They are worse then Linaege. Linaege at least supports local system backups. With /e/, you have to use their own unencrypted servers.
(Also btw they support Phones with not anymore updated firmware, which partially allows script kiddies with a flipper zero to exploit your chipset)
I can tattoo „privacy first” on the inside of my asscheek. Dosent mean it actually means anything.
Like I said, /e/ is not at all better than LinaegeOS, but instead takes the OK LinaegeOS, adds their own insecure services, removes everything that could be more secure, and misrepresents what is essentially a LinaegeOS Flavor as
So this kill switch will auto delete all the telemetry /e/ collects by default, including the Voice data Sent to OpenAI? right? RIGHT?
Btw, if you dont understand their text, let me translate it for you
We took out loans from a bunch of venture capitalists in order to make a phone with a weird gimmick which is completely unnecessary since our OS collects your Data by default and dosent care about your Privacy at all anyway, just so we can please a crowd of tech hippies who have no idea about actual privacy but want to look cool by switching off their Camera after posting their 24/7 location on facebook and letting ChatGPT analyze their breakup text. (Also btw we have to somehow pay back those millions by raising our stock prizes, so stay tuned for our cloud selling your unencrypted photos because we have to enshittify).
The only reason to have hardware switches is if you fear that you’ve been compromised. And if you’ve been compromised, why would you continue to use a compromised phone for things that need your location or access to your camera?
And if you go in with the expectation of „this phone is going to be compromised”, just remove the Camera and everything and attach a Webcam or Mic for whenever you really need it. This way you can actually verify easily if its on, instead of having a mm button that can be easily toggled while putting the phone away
Communism is not about an economy, but about freedom of science, education, and general peoples wellbeing
So stop fucking measuring it by Capitalist standards
Its like calling a Banana a lesser fruit because it has less seeds in it than a cocoa fruit.
/e/ is not private at all
They have a lot of telemetry already installed, their voice to text is sent directly to OpenAI, and their Cloud is not encrypted (and presumably in the US), so anyone can view all your data without a subpoena when (not if) their services get compromised
No, it is not.
They forked LinaegeOS, which is 0 security oriented, stripped it of all its private services (like Seedvault) and now want the user to pay a subscription for their non encrypted backup servers and a shitty DNS blocker
Non profit dosent mean everyone who works there cant earn money.
It just means, that you as Shareholder cant just sit on your ass and collect the revenue from your company.
If you own a non profit, and you work as for example a Dev or the head of PR, you can still have a hefty 30$/hour salary.
And the other way around, having a For profit just tells me that you do so little, that you can’t even justify employing yourself at a non profit and giving you an own salary that way, because a non profit has to disclose just how much money you give yourself while underpaying your workers
A lead Dev has left and now they have to rebuild much of their workflow, it will only take 4-6 months according to them
Serious question: Do I have to be a jew in order to use it?
(Because KZs and im German and stuff)
There are 3rd Party stores for Those too.
Its just not plastered on the Main page of the project
But I wouldnt argue that if you already want a degoogled phone, you have researched enough to at least know where to Ask for such websites
Linaege and Calyx is OK too, since they actually develope software (Linaege does it from scratch, Calyx develops Seedvault etc). even though they are not as rigid as Graphene, they are still ok for normal ungoogled stuff, and to be honest, most people dont need the security Graphene provides them with.
My problem is with Roms like /E/ OS or Iode, which essentially add nothing of value, but instead Fork Linaege, remove Seedvault and everything what isn’t essential, and sell what is essentially a DNS blocker (which you can just use on your VPN slot via apps like DNSnet, or Server side like Adguard or Mullvad DNS) as a new ROM, complete with Subscription Service and (in the case of E OS) even with non encrypted Backup, essentially begging someone to compromise their Servers and steal peoples Photos and Data.
Google was just a comparison. Of course Murena will not become as strong globally, but if we look at it relatively to the Costum ROM community, they have quite a fair share already.
Don’t take everything literally. I just said, that having the track record that /e/ has regarding actual Privacy and not relying on big tech, which dosent take much effort since they literally fork LinaegeOS, which already dosent rely on big tech, I don’t think its a good idea to let them become any stronger than they need to be, since, like I just pointed out
Murena does not do any substancial Development of Costum Roms. They just take Linaege, remove all the Open source software like Seedvault, and instead implement their own security nightmares.
And no, tracker blocking is not a good reason to make your own Costum Rom. There are literal free apps on Fdroid which do it already, and better. Don’t like it? Switch to the DNS server of adguard, they do that too. Or mullvad. Or whatever.
Murena as a company is literally a leech just like Iode, which Attach themselves to Linaege (which dosent say they are Private at all), add a fucking DNS blocker, call it a day, and act like they just made Linaege Private.
nobody has to use Murena servers.
Im just saying, that Murena, with their current services, is in no way better than Google. Also, that can change at any time, since the one making the Services and the one making the OS is the same Murena, so theres nothing stopping them to vertically integrate their Services more and more, until it becomes the only real option
just like Google and Apple did it.
Google started as a company that gave extraordinary Services for cheap to people, and only once it got popular, they started selling user data and doing questionable shit as result of them not really caring about Data Security and storing data unencrypted on their Servers.
Murena is a company that is giving extraordinary Services for sometimes Cheaper than the non Privacy friendly option, and once it gets popular, they still will be reserving the right to start selling user data and do Questionable shit as a result of them not caring about Data Security and storing data unencrypted on their Servers.
Yes, they did not sell your data. Yet. They did not release your Data to authorities. Yet. Their Service, being unencrypted, baked deep into the OS (with their Backup) shows just how much they could go that route at any time, and by having a mostly noobie audience, they wont get much shit for it probably
For me, its just like the Mastodon vs. Bluesky thing
Yes, /e/ is currently better than Google, but /e/ can turn as bad as Google any time. Unlike something like Proton or other Backup systems, since they have the option to encrypt your Photos and therefore make them Availible only to the user.
Of course /e/OS is not perfect
Let me stop you here.
Every phone /e/ supports, Lineage or calyx supports too. Lineage and Calyx are both non profit, implement an actually secure Backup system by default, and do not try to sell you a subscription.
So why should I be defending a company that’s worse then the Alternative, that’s obligated to extract the most possible profit from its costumers, that says it is Private, yet sends your backup and Photos unencrypted to murena servers?
And no, you can’t jUsT uSe aNoThEr bAcKuP sErViCe. These require root access by default, so you can’t just install Seedvault.
Also, I don’t give a fuck if the data to OpenAI is proxied or not. OpenAI is still not Private, and Murena has other, on device, Open source Voice to text options. Yet they, the self proclaimed Private OS, rely on a non private service
Well, since OpenAIs chatGPT is known to sometimes leak info, that could just happen some day
I am talking about their backup services and such.
Afaik, their Photos and file Backup Servers are neither Open Source nor encrypted in any way
Look at the friggin´ Screenshot of their website
I just dived into that rabbit hole, heres what I could understand until now:
Theres this Business guy, who owns/Controls much of the Calyx Infrastructure.
When Copperhead, a for Profit Company tried to buy up Graphene, the Calyx Guy was (according to Graphene Mastodon team) very prominent and they tried to pressure them into buying it up
Now it backfired for Calyx as the Business guy did a
On the team, and now they have to change all the Infrastructure and Keys in order to make their workflow secure again
Louis has a Telecom Company with that dude as co-founder, apparently according to some legal document
Also, very many other OSs have a Problem with Graphene, as they want to be the next Private ROM, but they just wont put in the Time to do anything more then fork Linaege and add their own Propriatery stuff (looking at you, Iode), so they very often try to make alligations against Graphene, only to be completely wrong
Tbh, I just dont get ROMs, just because you cant beat Graphene dosent mean that everyone needs the kind of Security Graphene gives you. Just dont fuck up, no matter how hard it apparently is.
Privacy is the Main point spoken of in both the websites.
And don’t come up with some „but privacy means big tech and OpenAI isn’t big tech” bullcrap.
The word comes up 3 times in /e/, and the whole paragraph in Calyx is all about being spied on by big entities
Please tell me, where I can enable Seedvault or another local backup service without having to root my phone first or use apps like shiziku.
YES, I HAVE to use Murena services in order to back up my /e/ is phone without compromising security via root or shizuku. Prove me wrong, and send me a fucking video about it.