three on the right use the same face-shape almost line-for-line: differences only in the hair, ears, eyebrows, skin-tone and attire. Middle has a squared-off jaw, maybe vertically stretched, and the top’s jaw-line stop’s shorter, but completely different?

The three on the left use basically the same tricks and started from a different outline, but between those three, top has a single cheek wrinkle in a different spot, bottom has additional forehead wrinkles, and the middle is stretche horizontally as well as vertically, mayb with some skew-tool use so its more exaggerated to the right, but damn, bro, have you ever even touched illustrator or photoshop? I could do the same in Gimp, Inkscape, Krita, Clipstudio, or so many others, and honestly it would be quicker for me than coming up with an Ai prompt, if that last were even part of my skillset.

Not even a hint of complex shading, and if you think “less complex or generic= Ai”, you must have missed the meme-train days completely.

Three on the left have the same shoulders, and the three on the right have their shoulders cropped at different heights to hide their similarities there too.

Not a damn thing about this necessitates or would even reward the use of Ai.

Three on the right use the same face-shape almost line-for-line: differences only in the hair, ears, eyebrows, skin-tone and attire. Middle has a squared-off jaw, maybe vertically stretched, and the top’s jaw-line stops shorter, but completely different?

The three on the left use basically the same tricks and started from a different outline, but between those three, top has a single cheek wrinkle in a different spot, bottom has additional forehead wrinkles, and the middle is stretche horizontally as well as vertically, mayb with some skew-tool use so its more exaggerated to the right, but damn, bro, have you ever even touched illustrator or photoshop? I could do the same in Gimp, Inkscape, Krita, Clipstudio, or so many others, and honestly it would be quicker for me than coming up with an Ai prompt, if that last were even part of my skillset.

Not even a hint of complex shading, and if you think “less complex or generic= Ai”, you must have missed the meme-train days completely.

Three on the left have the same shoulders, and the three on the right have their shoulders cropped at different heights to hide their similarities there too.

Not a damn thing about this implies Ai.

Oh no, someone used copy/paste on their outlines, and it came out looking like the paper “dolls” you used to be able to dress-up and accessorize with other cut-outs! Must be slop!

JFC sheeple.

EDIT for the uninitiated for some reason can’t see themselves capable of making this with, frankly, stupid-simple tools:

three on the right use the same face-shape almost line-for-line: differences only in the hair, ears, eyebrows, skin-tone and attire. Middle has a squared-off jaw, maybe vertically stretched, and the top’s jaw-line stop’s shorter, but completely different?

The three on the left use basically the same tricks and started from a different outline, but between those three, top has a single cheek wrinkle in a different spot, bottom has additional forehead wrinkles, and the middle is stretche horizontally as well as vertically, mayb with some skew-tool use so its more exaggerated to the right, but damn, bro, have you ever even touched illustrator or photoshop? I could do the same in Gimp, Inkscape, Krita, Clipstudio, or so many others, and honestly it would be quicker for me than coming up with an Ai prompt, if that last were even part of my skillset.

Not even a hint of complex shading, and if you think “less complex or generic= Ai”, you must have missed the meme-train days completely.

Three on the left have the same shoulders, and the three on the right have their shoulders cropped at different heights to hide their similarities there too.

Not a damn thing about this implies Ai.

The same people selling the clearnet will be the same people who will never let the existing stuff die, so they can sell the problems, the “solutions”, child-porn, and most stupidly, considering they seem to honestly believe they want to force this on the rest of us, to feel they are “above the law”, and not confined to the bounds of their own machinations.

I’m not convinced more than maybe 5 or 10% of people will ever actually use the clear-net, or even be able to afford to either. The same idiots trying to force it are populating their new “walled-garden for the rest of them” with, basically, AI spoofs of the rest of the population. They are already huffing their own farts the the point they won’t be able to tell the difference, like an artificial resurgence of The Bicameral Mind for “the ruling class”.

EVs actually tend to use fewer ECU modules than IC vehicles - even Hybrids are driving a trend towards mechanical and electrical simplicity.

The IC manufacturers are fighting repairability tooth and nail, but the only ones who can afford their new shit are the last people who would embrace being locked-in to dealer repairs.

All that, and the dealerships/service-centers will always require mechanics, as the manufacturers themselves will always prefer to be able to fix and re-sell used cars.

The only seperate bathrooms needed are stalls, urinals, handi-capped/“family” stalls, and sinks. Gendered labelling is a solution looking for a problem; A relic of racial segregation and the times before women could vote.

If I’m talking to the skirt next to me at the urinal, its for wardrobe tips, where to get high heels and dresses that fit, and also to put other chatty dudes in their place. Because seriously, who actually wants to hold a conversation at a urinal? Old perverts like me, only worse.

Do I care if they have a dick or are using a funnel? Also no, because I realize none of it is my business until they tell me otherwise.

All that said, I’m fully aware that trying to use a urinal in women’s wear is a pain. If you’re encountering them and they bother you, ya done fucked-up by going out of your way to find it in the first place. Going out of one’s way to cast shade at unicorns…

I mean, community-sourced is what I would want anyways, so …

Sure it did. Tiles on Windows Phone were a big hit for a time. If anything, the problem on that side of things was that they didn’t commit and make sure the things that worked on the phone also worked on the “tablet” version.

Instead, they took the approach that "the developers will thank us for charging them an arm and a leg to learn and use the new APIs, like they always have, forgetting that developers often follow users, and almost every user was verbal about hating what MS had done, including Windows phone users who understood what had been promised then effectively bait-and-switched.

Microsoft’s way has just always been so inspiring, you know?

I never got into gnome. Was more of an XFCE guy for a time, enough-so to realize Gnome had “deprecated” anything I liked about GTK. I was more looking for a classic start menu style with minimal overhead, and XFCE gave me that, while most other DE’s wouldn’t let me do stuff that Windows 95 had been cool with.

Windows 8 had a “reason”(TabletPCs, and the success of Tiles on Windows Phone) for the changes made. The old UX was still there if you knew where to look and what settings to change; Some searching online could mostly have you back to what you wanted in under an hour. It was coded by humans, tested by humans, and consistently worked as intended.

Windows 11’s changes have no such saving-graces or anything resembling rational justification. They let their AI re-code a bunch of fundamental features, and particularly the UI/UX, from a low-level programming language to frameworks intended for fucking websites, just so they could say it was capable of doing-so. Along the way, they used AI to test the results and skimped on or ignored the results from testing done by humans.

How many times before has Microsoft publicly admitted one of their products is broken and promised to fix it? What does being technically solid have to do with UX? EVERYTHING.

… Windows 11 is far worse. 8 was solid compared to 11. 8 was a pain in the ass, but it mostly did what it was supposed-to.

Its all pattern-recognition. Your side of the debate is arguing that training on patterns is theft of said patterns, the same way industries are fighting reverse-engineering and right-to-repair in the legal sphere. I may not spend most of my time working and playing out-doors, but I woud wager I have always spent more time doing-so, and still-do, compared to yourself.

Spent most of my life being told I’m un-motivated and un-serious for prioritizing life over work, work in physical mediums over digital, and avoiding the “defense” or marketting industries, just to be told I’m un-informed or “clearly agitated” when I engage with those who took the opposite route.

Look in the mirror; Did I say you should feel guilt or be unable to sleep at night? Yes, I’m fully aware the people who think as I described “you” are few and far between among those who can even do what you do, but you described me as one of them first.

You also never engaged with my statements on the origins of modern code, even and especially pattern recognition and neural networks, so here we are.

Everyone on all sides is so quick to rule out anyone they engage with as un-informed, a vested-interest with an agenda, or “lacking standing” - that’s how we got to a state where almost every elected official started from a degree in politics or law. Meanwhile, I repeat, taxpayers payed for all of it, the same ones who have also been paying the creator-“class” all-along.

Why would you let keeping-up with AI code cut-into the amount of time you spend writting code? Your conflating Torvalds being okay with/allowing programmers using a tool PROPERLY with Amazon, Meta, Google, Microsoft and their ilk shoving it down everyone’s throats, proper usage be damned.

Fresh Air

Heard of it?

So you helped create the problem, only so you could show it to be a problem, then turn around and sell us the solution, eh?

Between the two of us, you are literally the AI bro. Eating your own shit and calling it gourmet. I’ve stayed the fuck away from the software industry, let-alone AI, my entire life because I grew-up with and around would-be authoritative rent-seekers like you.

20 something years of software-industry experience is still mostly copying/rehashing the work of those who came before - you didn’t create shit, just re-packaged it in a way your company could sell.

The ground-up? Gotta go a lot further back than 20 years to claim that. Your name’s not on the patents or textbooks, so by your arguments, you’ve stolen every bit of it you ever consumed and then turned-around and applied, and since you didn’t invent it yourself you can’t even really understand it.

Again, that’s your argument because you can’t concieve of the idea that something you “created” off the work of those who came before you could ever approach the understanding you must claim certainty of to speak with such authority.

One of us wants to turn off the money-printing machine because its un-sustainable. You, however would rather focus on the insanity that is Intellectual Property Rights. Our taxes paid for all of that shit.

I pay authors, artists, musicians, and yes, I buy software, even knockoff stuff when its less enshittified than the original has become. I’ll bet you’re more afraid of AI realizing the burden en-shittification creates than you are even slightly concerned about anyone going un-paid for original code.

Dictionaries update to reflect current-usage. Millenials were also a US baby-boom generation, and my older three children, born mid-00’s, were part of a surge in births that made the papers. There’s good reason even your own link doesn’t include a date range.

Some are born in good times. Some are born into lots of company in their age range. Plenty are born-into neither, and the dictionary can’t distill all that into understanding without being vague on-purpose to leave room for idiots to grow.

He’s a political/economic pragmatist. If you have record of him promoting capitalism or bashing socialism, please share, but as it is, Norway is one of the dozen most-socialist-leaning coutries on earth.

Maybe don’t apply USian non-sense everywhere. Liberal vs Mamdani as a prejorative is relavent. Liberal vs Torvalds as a prejoritive makes about as much sense as saying the same about Xi Jiping, Kim Jong Un, Miguel Díaz-Canel, or Lenin.

It’s absurd, obtuse, and besides the point, every bit so as the DNC using identity politics only to silence, promote, or ignore real voices for change.

Everything in your first paragraph is contrary to your first sentence. Every single one of those is another argument, but using a turn of phrase and baiting was apparently more important than even making the first, best, and most relavent argument you brought-out.

The real clincher is that you then pretend the person you are replying to didn’t already make those arguments, well, and that you are disagreeing with them.

“This isn’t [the] gotcha you think it is”, really?

That will change over time, as the expense of utilizing them wastefully or in general has already. This isn’t a news article or snap-shot of the state of things today - its a mandate for due diligence going-forward, and an elaboration on how its been addressed so-far.

Programmers already spend about as-much of their time, if not more, reading other’s code as they do writing their own. It doesn’t mater if that “other’s code” is AI generated or not.

There’s an argument to be made about excessive vs not-enough commenting, but that’s not where you went, and its clear you have negligible programming experience, or creative experience for that matter, to be coming after the concept of sharing code like-so.

One wonders how many books you’ve read, to be pretending that reading a book without paying for it, even borrowing from a library, is theft. Stick with the environmental costs arguments - its what you are personally suited to argue, and far more urgent than the rest.