Good thing his unsecured cell phone is ok!

I never accused you of or criticized you for taking that angle, but that doesn’t change that it’s the same energy I’ve seen all my life from those sorts of people.

Whether intentional or not, it feels like the argument is working to offload responsibility from the abuser for the abuse with an implication that anyone could fall victim to the situation, rather than it being a personal failing for choosing to engage in the abuse.

I may just be sensitive to that line of argumentation, but I can’t stand seeing it in practice. Abusers choose to engage in abuse, and a lot of time they’re just continuing the cycle because that’s what they know. And the only way to break the cycle is to call out the mentality and hope people can change, be it themselves or their argument/thought patterns. But standing by changes nothing.

I dont even know what that’s supposed to mean.

I’m saying people seem to think in their head they are a good person so they will just naturally do “the right thing” all the time. Then they get blindsided by their actual thoughts or feelings when they’re actually in that situation.

It’s pretty clear, but plenty of the religious people I’ve interacted with have effectively told me they don’t sin because of their religion, or they wouldn’t do something specifically because their religion forbids it. Not because they don’t want to do it, because ‘god’ says no.

Other people can get their morals from their own self, and don’t have to worry about what they would do in the moment in a situation like that. And this isn’t me talking shit. I’ve been in that situation with female identifying friends multiple times, and taking advantage of them in that state literally never crossed my mind. Because I have an internal moral compass that doesn’t need external motivation to not be a fuck head and abuse someone like that.

but I’m willing to bet a vast majority of people genuinely think they would “just do the right thing in that situation.” But people underestimate the temptation in the moment.

Big “I’m not a sinner because I want to get into heaven” energy.

Exactly this. Hell, I’ve had instances where one of my partners just isn’t into it, or something happens and they’re not feeling it anymore, and it just takes all the enjoyment out of it.

Consent, connection, and enjoyment are critical for me.

My local Aldi has 1 real register and a half dozen self checkouts. Aldi isn’t safe.

and AI mechanical turk based cameras all over the store and gates that judge whether it should open for you after buying things.

I highly doubt they’re actually using AI, given every other claim I’ve seen that starts out like this ending up being poorly paid people in a low wage country.

I ditched someone when she attributed something to her star sign, because I have no interest in a relationship with someone stupid

I’ve just always seen this as a lack of personal accountability, and that’s a massive turnoff for me.

Like, no Becky, you’re not being a bitch because you’re a cancer, but you are a cancer because you’re such a bitch.

So you have to abstain for 91 days to be able to close your account??? Fucking slime

Oh no…

Anyway.

I could go to the local gas station/corner store and pay 2x to get it much quicker, but that’s rarely worth it.

Sounds about right, you seem to make sweeping assumptions about people with minimal evidence and ignore any context that goes with it

Have fun in psych 102, let me know if you actually learn anything.

At least you have Tarantino movies.

I gotta say, I absolutely hate the way data storage is notated. Because colloquially, a _giga_byte is 1024 MB, but that’s actually a _gibi_byte, and a proper _giga_byte is only actually 1000 MB.

So storage sellers are technically accurate when they say they’re giving you a 1000 gigabytes of storage, but your operating system shows gibibytes as gigabytes, so you don’t actually have as much as you think. It’s like 7% less at the gigabyte level, and 10% at the terabyte level.

I remember growing up with AOL and being stuck on the kiddie mode.

I also remember the day I figured out that I was t actually stuck on kiddie mode and I could use Netscape and browse the Internet directly. Sooo many tiddies seen at one line of pixels at a time…

I would rather have 2fa than the magic link email bullshit. I am so fucking tired of sites assuming I don’t want to use a simple username and password, and I clearly want to have to wait on email delivery to be able to access my account instead of JUST ENTERING MY GODS DAMNED CREDENTIALS.

No you didn’t, but thankfully someone else provided a real answer to the question posed.

As for your scenario question, you made up a decent head cannon, but it still doesn’t explain how you think the sims example is different from the AI example. Which was literally the question I specifically responded to and you’re not answering.

That being said, I’ll humor your lazy reasoning.

Would you say that the person who set up this experiment with these LLMs is capable of normal human empathy? Yes or no?

Yes, they very well could be capable of normal empathy, there’s not enough to say one way or the other. But I did those sorts of things with Sims as a release mechanism, without naming them after real people and it had no bearing on my ability to have empathy to real people and animals, because sims and AI aren’t real living entities. At best they’re a simulation of real people, but they’re still just that, a simulation. Good job working yourself up though.

Your psych 101 comment is on point, cuz this is he lazy sort of argumentation I see from people who stopped there. Your lack of understanding/ lazy generalizations about how someone’s inner world works colors your opinions and makes you make wild generalizations. I don’t know that I would want to be around this person, but saying they’re incapable of human empathy because they fuck with an AI and make it feel pain is one hell of a generalization based off of one article.

But this is the Internet, so I’m used to these sorts of ignorant takes.

You didn’t answer my question, what’s the difference between the sim torture and the AI torture? I’m not going to respond to the non-sequitor provided instead of answering the question.

You made the distinction, so I want to know the difference.

It’s a stochastic parrot trained on examples of real people reacting to those situations, of course it is going to mirror real reactions. That still doesn’t mean the reactions are actually real. To ascribe real emotions and feelings to an algorithm that generates tokens in response to tokens is an asinine level of anthropomorphism.

It’s also easy to find an NPC in video games that reacts the same way. Are they alive? Are they really feeling pain? Are you a genocidal madman whenever you kill a bunch of enemies in a video game?

I’m concerned about the mentality the dude making the simulation has, but that still doesn’t mean there’s an actual victim in it…

If you think that I think you’re a bad person because you … deleted the ladder on the swimming pool in Sims 4, relax. You’re not who I’m talking about.

I’m talking about sadists. Anyone who would take the time to design and build an experiment like this would probably do the same to mice, or monkeys, or even people.

You’re splitting hairs. What’s the difference between someone torturing their sims by intentionally designing a scenario where they are being repeatedly drowned/burned/starved, and the article?

Really sounds like you’re trying to carve out an exclusion for an obvious example that torpedoes your argument.