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  • Busses still use oil. Solar energy is still dependent on violent exploitation of the earth. If you choose to go vegan, you’ll likely still need monocultural practices to sustain yourselves.

    Busses are quickly becoming EV powered, which when combined with a renewable grid, make them certainly a far better option climate wise. Ideally we would also advocate for solarpunk urbanism, which heavily encourages walkable and bikeable cities combined with electric trains/trams as much as is possible.

    Even just monoculture veganism would be a substantial win for the climate (and animal suffering). However there are also non-monoculture ways of farming as well, as well as urban farming, which shows good promise.

    what I’m saying is we’re going to be in the gray no matter what. No right life in the wrong one and all that.

    IMHO that’s a thought terminating cliche, a way to continue to use harmful tools without it causing too much cognitive dissonance. Or in other words, it’s something we cab choose to tell ourselves so we don’t feel as bad about it.

    However, or so I like to believe, many there do wish to create tools to create a quote unquote better world.Honor those honest people and forget about the control freak of a greedy ceo.

    Without meaning to offend, that is a very naive view of how corporations and CEOs operate, as they all ultimately are beholden to profit over all else.

    When I use AI, it feels like what you’re describing: I’m trying. Trying to play the hand I’ve been dealt. What else can I do?

    …Not use it? Like you and everyone else would’ve had to do just a few years ago before LLMs existed.

    Perhaps, yes, we must leave everything behind and opt for some sort of primitivism

    Solarpunk is not compatible with primitivsim, nor do we advocate for it (as that would only bring untold suffering and death).

    Solarpunk is an attempt to be as logical and realistic at balancing having a habitable and stable climate and habitat with an appropriate and non-ecologically damaging use of technology to achieve maximal individual and collective freedom and happiness. If you haven’t you may want to read our “What is Solarpunk?” wiki article to have a better idea of what we’re striving for.

    I don’t see how AI with its undeniably emancipatory possibility can’t be part of that as well.

    For the reasons mentioned before, it is genuinely in direct opposition to building a solarpunk or habitable world.

    You don’t need a big team of well-paid engineers anymore to get actually functional shit of the ground anymore and that is frankly exciting!

    “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” ― Frank Herbert, Dune

    One last note on degrowth:

    Being more communal, having human connections, the other things you describe are all good, fostering community is essential to building the world we want, but there is also a hard physical reality that we are extremely close to making the planet’s ecology completely collapse due to our dependence and addiction to fossil fuels, meat, and now the tools that only further empower the very people who ensure those addictions continue until it is too late to reverse on any meaningful human time scale, and at that point all we will have left is our dances as the planet crumbles.

    Collectively we can’t just keep taking the easy path because it feels good and doesn’t require us to feel like we’re missing out, otherwise there will be no future for our children to inherit.

    It might feel good to see the AI make a somewhat functional app quickly, but it’s important to keep in mind the external cost to have that done quickly. Was it truly worth funding the billionaires that wish to enslave us further? Will that app be worth it 10 years from now if all our lives are made miserable from fascists rising to power with the aid of AI surveillance? When our family members are imprisoned, deported or killed, where healthcare is inaccessible to most, and we all seek ways to numb ourselves as the world burns around us?

    We have to keep in focus what we are enabling by taking that easy route, and the suffering we may cause to ourselves and others in the future by not taking a stand while we can.


  • well of course, but this argument could be extended to the use of just about any technology (ethics of mining, reality of elecitricty etc.) and also most societal structures (opressive, classist, racist, sexist, whatever).

    Yes, and part of solarpunk is about trying not to perpetuate those things as much as possible, which collectively makes a difference. That’s why Solarpunk advocates for degrowth (avoiding unnecessary consumption, repairing instead of buying new, gift and library economies), trying to avoid as much electricity and fossil fuel consumption as much as possible (using an public transport or an ebike where viable instead of a car, utilizing solar energy where possible), reducing meat consumption as much as possible to avoid unnecessary animal suffering and climate emissions, and to try to build the world we want to live in within the shell of the old through prefigurative politics.

    Not everyone will be able to do those things 100%, but it is absolutely still worthwhile to do what they can to whatever degree is feasible.

    Corporate AI use in particular is the easiest of all of those things to avoid using outside of a tech job that may enforce its use. If someone chooses to hand wave the harmful externalities it causes just because it feels convenient, then how are we to address any of the other problems humanity faces, which will generally require bigger lifestyle changes? All of us choosing to use it also sends the others looking at our movement that we are a “Do as I say, not as I do” group, who give lip service to trying to solve things while being unwilling to actually put our actions where I values claim to be.

    We are ultimately incredibly unlikely to build the world we want to live in by directly funding the very people who most wish to oppress us and stop our efforts, who would see the world burn to a cinder without blinking an eye.

    I’d really recommend checking out some of the links I provided in my first comment to fully grasp the scale of the problem that corporate AI is, and how supporting it by its use is incredibly self defeating.


  • whats your thoughts on LLM’s in coding

    IMHO, using an AI that’s run on a corporate data centers encourages the construction of yet more data centers, with all of the environmental/climate negatives they bring, as well as local harms they induce on the people living near them, such as increased electricity rates.

    Using corporate AI directly helps the financial situations of the big tech companies that host them (by boosting usage/user numbers, they are able to attract more investment capital), most of which are owned by fascist CEO’s who are more than willing to collaborate with and fund fascist governments to ensure that they are not regulated in search of both maximum profits. Some of these companies, such as Nvidia, Palantir and Oracle, genuinely appear to be seeking to use these tools for what would previously be considered crackpot conspiracy theory levels of public control and surveillance.

    There is also the problem of all current LLMs being trained on copyrighted code, and being prone to perfectly reproducing the code, introducing the possibility of unknowingly committing copyright infringement into the code base, which could lead to small open-source developers getting sued down the line.

    Lastly, LLMs are extremely prone to hallucinating, which can often result in bugs or vulnerabilities that won’t be caught by a developer that doesn’t intimately understand every aspect of the code, and often results in an unmaintainable code base long-term.

    Overall I don’t think LLMs are at all compatible with solarpunk ideals, and appears to contribute negatively towards the very problems solarpunk is trying to solve.




  • There’s a couple ways to use Lemmy and make it nicer to use, one is curating a well fleshed out subscribed list, the other is using all but blocking every community that doesn’t interest you or has topics you actively dislike, making it just as pleasant as your subscribed view.

    Personally I do both. My subscribed view is just things I like and no news communities. My All feed blocks everything I don’t like, let’s me discover new communities, and gives me a dose of news when I want it.








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    11 days ago

    Hm, the captcha worked on my end without issue and I was able to watch with audio.

    I tested it just now with Freetube instead (should be available in most linux repositories), and that appears to work well for me without any captcha. Hopefully it should allow you to watch it without as many issues.

    I don’t see a way to download the video from within Freetube. I suppose a much more inconvenient but guarenteed method of capturing the video would be to capture it live by recording the video and audio in OBS.









  • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netto196@lemmy.blahaj.zoneUrsula K Le Guin Rule
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    12 days ago

    I purposefully made my example not function to demonstrate how it’s constructed. If done without the quotation marks, and the ::: spoiler is on its own line, it should work and show up in your app.

    Spoiler Test! (Click me)

    Ultra sneaksies textings be here >.>

    Here’s what it looks like before posting on my end: