I know what kind of projects you are talking about, I just think it’s kinda pointless to talk about “shifting focus” when 99 % of focus has already been shifted since forever. The projects you listed are really just hobby projects. It’s kinda like saying people should stop working on “alternative” init systems and they should instead work on systemd. People working on hobby project won’t suddenly shift to professional projects, because that would kinda ruin the hobby.

I see so many people here on Lemmy who are desperately waiting for Linux phones to replace their iPhones or Android phones

In my opinion it’s similar situation with the users. I think people waiting for Linux proper phones aren’t really waiting for a replacement for their Android phone, rather for a niche alternative for hackermen, like alternative init systems to systemd or Gentoo to Ubuntu. It doesn’t have to be a drop in replacement, it just has to do the job (calls, sms, internet, camera, usable battery life). Right now it does not even do the job.

unless they use my discord server to spread those views

To me that’s not controversial at all and does not suggest in the slightest that he’s a fascist, National Socialist or whatever. And he isn’t creating “safe spaces” for these kind of people either. A safe space to me means a place where said people can express their (stupid) opinion freely, which Vaxry according to this statement does not support. Also I don’t have the exact quote but in a different episode of his blogpost saga he claimed that when some person was transphobic, said person was banned. So that would also be supporting evidence that he does not create safe spaces for bigots.

If we’re talking strictly hypothetically, I’m a worse person than Vaxry because unlike me, he claims not to allow bigots to express their opinions in his dicksword server, while I am engaging in communication in a Lemmy community where being a fan of Mao or Stalin is allowed.

In the rest of the article he presents nazism as an opinion people might have that you disagree with.

He didn’t say anything about Nazism being an opinion you disagree with.

He argues that his silent acceptance of nazis is the morally correct stance while inclusive communities are toxic actually.

He does argue that his stance is morally correct but what you said is not his stance. I think the following quote implies the point he’s trying to make.

It’s important to note that there are many people who disagree on topics like religion, economic systems, LGBT issues, geopolitics, and other. For whatever reasons they may, we still should not ostracize them as long as they can interact with the FOSS community in a respectful manner, without arguing about those issues in places not meant for such discussions.

I think his point is that him disallowing ostracising of people creates communities that tolerate all kinds of people including say, LGBT people. The Nazis would be collateral damage of inclusiveness, I suppose. I’m naming specifically LGBT, since in a different quote he’s talking about illegal things in Hungary, which is famously a highly LGBT-discriminating country in the EU:

I stand by my stance that even if you are something that the country I live in disagrees with, you still are free to use, contribute to, and be a part of the greater FOSS community.

Also part of his point is that just because someone claims some other person is a bigot, does not mean that’s actually true. The former person could just be lying or otherwise twisting the truth, therefore it’s important to be inclusive:

They will try and find things that you do outside of your proffessional persona, or often infer, guess, meddle with, or lie about what you say and stand for.

The vast majority of the FOSS mobile development community has already shifted to AOSP. “Proper” mobile Linux has never been a serious thing except maybe during the Nokia N900 era (It was released in 2009.). So I don’t really get what you’re trying to say with that statement. Also the main thing that’s lacking for mobile Linux are the drivers and hardware*, so there it does not really matter whether it’s Linux “proper” or Android because the low level stuff is pretty much the same.

*With hardware I mean that the devices are not designed to be tinkered with unless it’s Pinephone like Linux phone, where the problem are said drivers.

This is the least of the issues that Linux phones are facing though. It’s mostly the drivers that are lacking. Linux phones are also one of the areas where you actually don’t want flatpak and docker bloating up your system with duplicated dependencies because you have limited storage.

You probably don’t care about my opinion, but one of the reason I don’t really care about this is that I only have the “drama” second hand from very unreliable sources. There is the Vaxry’s version of the story which cannot be trusted because that’s conflict of interest. Then there is Drew, who according to a Distrotube video is quite a bizzare person, who really enjoys to stir the drama and write these extremely misleading “hitpieces” on famous FOSS people. The issue is that to me Distrotube is not a credible source regarding this either because he’s got for me too schizo view of the world. He has a rifle collection, in case he has to fight for his country. (including a rifle, “that’s good for children”)

So it’s just too foggy for me. Well I don’t promote Hyprland because I don’t care about my computer’s “looks” and because according to some (I think) Void dev, Hyprland code is crap. But that’s a different story. Anyways my point is that I can see why people can see it as not that bad.

edit: adding sources for the Drew, Distrotube and Void stuff, in that order. Also the Drew video relies on indirect evidence but for me it’s fairly convincing.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NLHIIVppdMw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nvQ-ZY460WQ

https://reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/1eb3ivp/on_hyprland

Haven’t seen the video, I’m only commenting based on the summary in the comments.

It’s good that flatpak is switching to OCI containers. Hopefully that will end the flatpak’s dependency hell. This week I was looking at flatpak as a way to publish my app and found the user experience (user is the app publisher in this context) quite bad. Could be skill issue obviously.

I thought I could just look into a database of flatpak runtimes, pick the one with the software I need, add additional packages and be done with it. Unfortunately it is not that simple. First of all as far as I know, there is no “database” like archlinux.org/packages. You have to download the runtime and then search /usr/include/ or /usr/bin/ to check if particular piece of software exists in it. Adding additional packages is also quite difficult. There are these runtime extensions which are like “baby runtimes” for special software like ffmpeg, java, etc. They kinda suffer from issues similar to the issues of the runtimes. And unlike in regular distros where you can get a package for almost anything, here you don’t have the luxury and have to bundle that not so popular dependency.

I hope that with OCI I will be able to just provide the binary, a link to the base image and a list of dependencies to install and be done with it.

Fair enough. I guess I imagined someone hosting all the selfhosted web apps that get posted to this forum, when most people likely just host only the few they need on the go, so it isn’t really that burdensome.

Edit: Forgot to add: I always though that it could be useful to just set up Apache Guacamole, so that instead of the hosted services, my family members could just use remote desktop apps but I never got around to it.

Yep my thoughts. New selfhosters think the hard part of selfhosting is command line but that’s “kinda” like thinking that the hard part of math is writing numbers on paper. Terminal is just the medium, not the complex part. Navigating filesystem and editing files is easier on the desktop but changing permissions and managing services would be be extremely difficult for a newbie without using the terminal because (almost) every online tutorial uses terminal. OP would have to learn how to translate the terminal command to its desktop counterpart at which point they might as well use the terminal.

OP also has an XY problem. They asked for a system which does not require terminal usage but they should have actually asked for an easy to set up system. People are recommending things like Yunohost though, so it’s fine in the end.

It’s nice there’s a front end for all these tools but I kinda don’t get why is everything “hosted”. This could have just been a desktop app. I guess it can be useful when you want to convert something on your phone but to me it just seems like unnecessary server maintenance burden.

As I said there are many alternative coreutils (BSD utils, toybox) for the embrace extend extinguish. I just don’t see a model situation because that seems to me like embracing, extending and extinguishing a programming language. Nobody does that because it is not financially viable.

It’s not required to do work, if you want to use GPL licensed software for commercial applications. You need to share your source code, if you modified the GPLed code. But most people don’t modify the coreutils’ code. Are coreutils getting so much work done on them? To me it does not seem like it when this new uutils project managed to dwarf them in performance in some benchmarks.

Anyways I think I’ve read somewhere that the project author is open to change the license, if the contributors want to. I guess someone could open a discussion about it. The issue is that it cannot be people from this comment section because they cannot engage in an adult discussion. I do think it’s worth considering the advantages of changing the license to GPL, mainly that users will be forced to share their potential bug fixes. But people have to cut their Canonical conspiracy crap, which just does not make any sense and only makes it harder to convince the uutils author.

this puts a hole in your firewall

Indeed, thanks, I realized that shortly after posting it.

dig not supporting mdns

Yep you both are correct. Looking at it now, the result does actually warn me that I’m trying to send a regular DNS request to mDNS multicast address.

It just sort of happens to work correctly if you get a single reply

Yeah I guess it’s a hack. To me it does not really matter because I’m just using it for wireguard, so the worst thing that could happen is that I would try to connect to a wrong host and the key exchange would fail.

libnss-mdns

The reason for why I’m doing this whole hack is that nss-mdns package is only available on glibc version of Void but I’m using musl, so it’s really just hacks on top of hacks. I found a final solution though so that’s nice (see final edit of post). Thanks for all your replies!

It’s solved now. Basically what’s happening is that I ask a multicast address on UDP port 5353 and get a response from different IP because the original IP was multicast. So my firewall blocks the reply, because it really isn’t a reply like downloading a webpage. I solved it by filtering based on the source port. Meaning the reply has source port 5353 but on my machine it arrives at some random UDP port so I cannot really filter based on the destination port.

solution

-A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 5353 -j ACCEPT

Thanks for your help!

Well the musl C library does not have nss-mdns available. But it does not matter, I solved it now. Thanks anyways!

Edit 2: Actually dig picks a random port to send the mDNS request from and sends it to 224.0.0.251:5353 (multicast IP). The correct host then replies from port 5353 to the previously picked random port from dig. But I found that you can specify the port with dig -b IP#port so I think that should help. I kinda don’t have the time to try it out currently though.

end of edit2.

well I randomly solved it by adding

-A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 5353 -j ACCEPT

Which basically means you are right. The destination port is just some randomly picked number (checked wireshark), so I have to filter based on source port, which is 5353.

Edit: Also thanks for your help!

It just times out so my thought was that it just blocks the reply.

Actually I don’t have avahi installed. I only have some avahi-libs. I thought it’s only needed on the computer who’s IP I’m trying to get.

Huh weird. For me the first one works but the second one fails and returns an empty string.

I guess I should have specified that I’m on Void-musl. The reason why I’m doing this is because there is no NSS library on musl, so as far as I know you cannot automagically query hostnames on the network.

It’s also likely that most of these signatures aren’t even from graphic designers, just some people from Linux related forums.

Well the dev said that he does not care about the license. He wanted to create a coreutils alternative with better concurency using Rust as a pet project. He had even stated that he was not interested in the MIT vs GPL drama, yet people here were acting like children over it.

People think it’s some kind of Canonical evil master plan, yet it’s just some random dude slapping a license on his cool new code, without really thinking about it. Also this conspiracy does not make sense at so many levels. For one Canonical would shoot themselves into their foot if they created their own proprietary coreutils, because admins would not want to deal with non-portable scripts. Also there are already the BSD utils, so if they wanted to create their own fork, they would have already done that by now. They won’t because they prefer free labor from FOSS devs.

If you link to GPL library, your software has to be GPL. You are confusing it with LGPL. Though you can bypass this by making the library its own standalone app. Like let’s say FFmpeg which is just a frontend for libAV libraries. (ignore that these libraries are actually LGPL, so you can link to them.)