The Octonaut

I work for a telecom supplying software to the contact centre.

“Training” here is a euphemism for telling the agent what they did wrong. There are both manual reviews (when a second agent has to deal with the fallout from another agent’s fuck up) and random reviews by the “Quality”/audit team. They’ll check for example that agents aren’t trying to get good feedback scores by giving the customers soft refunds/credits.

Our software is expressly to make agent’s jobs easier but I end up listening to a fair few calls to see how we can do this and by God they do a much harder and more cruelly measured job than I do.

No but it isn’t wise to generalise two of Europe’s less… regulated countries to just “Europe”. Pretty much every European country north of the Alps and west of the Vistula have mandatory smoke alarms/fire detection. It’s not a mystery why. 5000 Europeans a year die in residential fires and social housing, ie paid for by the tax payers, is disproportionately damaged by fire every year.

You can say where you’re from. Nobody’s coming to find you.

And yes, I’m probably more emotive about this issue than average. I’m sure that’s not a mystery why either.

They are mandatory in Ireland, so please stop the “Europe” stuff.

House fires were a huge cause of death and in apartment blocks they also can let one person’s mistake kill hundreds of others.

Instantly?

Hospitals, telecoms, schools, universities, research labs the world over would be left without security updates or tech support. Businesses would crash out, access to everything from Sharepoint to Outlook to Entra ID SSO cut off rendering tens of millions unable to work and likely furloughed or redundant.

Enjoy your accelerationist fantasies if you like, daring to assume that the void would be filled by fucking Linux Mint or something and not literally just Apple. But the idea that it would be instant is even more unhinged than the average .ml stammering about the misunderstood virtues of Russian anti-Imperialism.

Never heard of the guy (not American) so I thought this was how we learned about Randall Monroe’s carbon monoxide leak.

If you’re trying to prove that I can indeed feel cringe, keep going, you’re almost there

All code uploaded to Github is scraped

This is the very simple statement that I was responding to, along with the next line about how using Github is implicit consent to feeding your data to an LLM. If the poster wants nuance, they are free to provide it themselves. You can see in subsequent responses there is none.

Of course them being different matters. That’s my point. Not all code uploaded to Github is being fed into an LLM. It is not consent if you are signing a contract demanding that something not be done. It’s preposterous even at a surface level.

Github Enterprise Server is different from Github Enterprise Cloud, which is what I was talking about, and which is explicitly not used for training LLMs, and if it were, would absolutely kill Github as a product and likely mire Microsoft in years of litigation.

Frankly I don’t know of any software company using Github Enterprise on-prem but I suppose there are probably some CEOs out there who haven’t taken the OpEx pill. Maybe deep in the rainforest with Mokele-Mbembe. Certainly in my sliver of the tech industry, telecoms, the idea of owning a server is akin to having a deskphone and an outgoing mail room.

Sure. Any day now.

Being embarrassed by association with people who say things like “all code uploaded to Github is subject to being scraped” might be childish. Not sure it’s as childish as being embarrassed by “cringe” though. That would imply I care about your opinion on my communication. I don’t.

I do care that you understand that a half dozen people in this thread are actively outing themselves as completely ignorant about the real world of software development and the software industry in general. Probably not surprising given the words “Gentoo” and “Codeberg” in the title of the post.

A company that pays Microsoft to host code and would join the suit that would bury them if they used proprietary code to train models in breach of paid contracts?

All of the responses are saying that Github reads all code. Github public and Github enterprise are products of the same organisation. Many are even saying they will consume enterprise data anyway despite contracts not to. As I said in my first response, there aren’t many things that would ruin Microsoft’s ability to operate but this is one.

What vibes do you think I’m going off?

Source: I’m employed

“Gullible” is not a thing you can be when somehow has signed a contract with you… that’s why contracts exist.

You aren’t paying enterprise subscriptions to use Facebook, and as bad as they are, Microsoft are not Meta.

It’s in every enterprise and business contract signed with them. The FAQ was just the first result on Google. Its obviousness shouldn’t even require that much. It’s extremely clear how few of Lemmy’s “technology” crowd have any contact with adult life.

No, it isn’t.

“Basically” your vibes aren’t an actual answer. Businesses are not forking over millions to give away their code.

You can have conspiracy theories about it using the code anyway (I’m particularly confused about your use of the word “scrape” which tells me you don’t know how AI training works, how hosting a website works, or how scraping works - maybe all three?) but surreptitiously using its competitors’ code to train CoPilot would be a rare existential threat to Microsoft itself.

Does GitHub use Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train GitHub’s model?

No. GitHub does not use either Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train its models.

https://github.com/features/copilot#faq

African-American is pretty awkward but it fits the similarly awkward model of Irish-American, Italian-American. The reason those are more specific should be obvious and horrifying - the vast majority of black Americans have little record of their ancestry before cross-Atlantic transportation. It would be nice if Americans just focused on the American part but these labels were often imposed on them from outside before they were adopted as a matter of spiteful pride from inside. Like LGTBQ Pride, St Patrick’s Day parades originally had an element of defiance and protest.

It’s useful in AAVE though because it is specifically American as opposed to just “black”. There are black slang/vernaculars in the Caribbean, Britain and France for example. Some of it bleeds into AAVE/Global English too - e.g. fam, bruv.

If you want a fun exercise, take the comments in this thread and replace the word AI with “Stack Overflow”

Devs getting some of their code from a website is not new, even if it’s via API

There is only strength in numbers (as a defence, which is what you’re positing) if everyone is informed of the consequences of their actions. If they are not, they can blame you for misleading them.

People aren’t doubting the virtue of your intent but you are speaking very confidently incorrectly about legal matters which doesn’t help your overall appeal.

Rolling the dice exactly once has more chance of getting double crits(I’m assuming he has disadvantage) than never rolling at all

Because I typed it.

I don’t need to prove anything, but mostly, your issue seems to be that you think a shitty in-painting image model has anything to do with the usefulness of something like Github Co-Pilot.

If you don’t understand something it’s ok not to have the edgy opinion on it by default.