@batmaniam @SelfhostedResearch Completely agree. Its a said state of affairs that we really need ML based filters for our app notifications

@Toasted_Breakfast @Faltsm Garbage in . Garbage out. If the content is focused in applications AI will just relfect that. Its not a thinking function.

And even if its only trained with the best content you still need to know the questions to ask.

@portnull @Toasted_Breakfast I don’t think these self hosting articles are that useful and much more than a list of applications. They send people off in the wrong direction.

They only answer that ‘what do I want/could I do’ but they don’t answer the ‘what device do I want to do it on’ and ‘where do I want to be able to do it’ questions - They also don’t answer the ‘what do I need to learn to do it’ - what do I need to protect my data?

And frankly I think they take the wrong approach when there are now more comprehensive solutions that could put selfhosters in a better position and get them thinking about questions like 'What happens when the cheap laptop I’m running this on dies/house catches fire/ How can I stop someone get into my application - How do I not forget all these passwords? - Sure they are great to play around with but would you really recommend anyone start ouy by spinning up Nextcloud and then putting stuff on it they really don’t want to lose?

Sorry that might sound grumpy… I don’t mean it to be. Its great that people are being encouraged to try - but they should also be really early on talking about things like ‘doing things with a friend or a group of similarly interested people’ (I know that sound weird - but you need offsite backup people … and someone to be able to step in of something happens to you … or things go wrong. (It takes a village to raise a baby)

@decended_being Where are you located?

@Fizz @Toasted_Breakfast I had a look at a few guides. They all come with a few assumptions and get into details but I was thinking that any guide needs to cover:

options:

Infrastructure - e.g. VPS/bare metal at home ,

Applications - nextcloud, media server, home automation etc.

Middleware - identity/authentication/ reverse proxy, backup, email, Patching/updates , xdav and other support tools for mobile,

Networking - home network, subnets, vpn/tailscale, firewall, port forwarding, static ips., ipv6

@decended_being Do self hosting meetups exist in places like #london, #madrid or #barcelona ?

@decended_being Yeah … While I find forums can be really useful. just chatting and getting to know people feels more rewarding socially. maybe a #SelfHosting #meetup

@LordKitsuna @Toasted_Breakfast I wouldn’t recommend this as a starting point. Rather I would go down the route of starting to learn about VPNs and DMZs - Open ports on networks can end badly.

@net00 @Toasted_Breakfast Now you need to start getting some knowledge around routing and networking. Have a look at #Wireguard or #Tailscale to securely access your network remotely. Remember its a journey … you are going to learn things bit by bit.

@Hawk @Toasted_Breakfast I get where the thought is coming from - Playing around with a cheap #OpenWRT router can be a way of getting an idea of routing and networking. - They have a gui and config files you can edit directly. You can figure out things like a #firewall #portforwarding - That kind of thing.

@SharkStudios @Toasted_Breakfast If you are going RaspberryPI - Isn’t an SSD a better starting point for storage? - But the best is to work with what you have - the PC

@Toasted_Breakfast How aboit starting with something like #yunohost

@SelfhostedResearch Something I havent quite reconciled is that I would enjoy self hosting more of it came with more mutual connections woth others that self host. Its a activity that has a focus on self sufficiency but I think I would learn more and be better if I was doing it more socially.

@eleijeep Oh interesting hardware at €69 seems quite reasonable - Extendable with a HDD enclosure.

@irmadlad I think this is beyond one person. I certainly think there has been progress.

@mspencer712 Yeah … though I suspect that perfect could be the enemy of the good enough. I can’t really comment - but whether its a single pyhsical device or modular - for me an integrated solution available to regular people is the key.

@julian Yeah I definately didn’t think their concerns weren’t valid - I wasn’t sure that I could clearly demonstrate benefits / address concerns. (and they were technical forums) - Don’t get me started with my desire to include a link to a fediverse post in any comment I make in Reddit

@MentalEdge @HelloRoot Its going to have some really basic questions - Where are you located, who is your ISP, what kind of connection for the internet do you have coming into the house, but then also things like - what do you want your domain name to be - who else is in the house? are they an adult? get them to connect their device to the wifi, what domain name do you want to register/ use? Do you want to connect to any friends/family? Do you want to configure some of these home automation devices I we have detected?

@MentalEdge @HelloRoot Yeah I’m really thinking about something that you could fling at a friend - maybe someone who setup their phone, home router, google home or amazon alexa - and they would come out at the end with something that resembles a working internet connection and online identity.

@CompactFlax Yeah - at least logically - I get that. I’ve discussed the point on other comments.