Farid

But “new” in the context of shopping just means “not used”, not that it was released in the past year or two.

And as I mentioned in another reply, they are not advertising anything false if those components are actually unused. If the buyer expects some band new, recently released machine with those specs, it’s on them. When you’re buying electronics, some minimal amount of research is required, or you outsource it to your family/friends.

Of course it’s not new new, the CPU is 10 years old. But who would think that it is?

Ok, I think I now understand the point of this thread. The implication is that some people might assume that these are brand new machines that will have software support for years to come. Even though, that’s confusing to me, as no new machine with those specs costs only 200 Euros. Like, that CPU alone, if used, cost 40-60 Euros. But IMO it’s still a stretch to call this a scam, as they are selling what they are selling. Can these machines run W11 right now? Yes. If the buyer expects something else for that price, it’s on them. The target audience could still be tech-savvy ppl who just need an older machine for simple stuff and W11 is pre-installed there just for convenience.

What does it matter that Microsoft considers it piracy? If they got the keys for cheap somewhere, it’s a real licensed version anyway and will work fine.
I can order retro emulation handhelds from China and it will arrive with 1000s of ROMs, which is literal piracy, but that doesn’t make it a scam.

Not officially, but I have, in the past, installed W11 on a computer from 2010. And it worked fine, all things considered.

But are you certain they aren’t new and this is a scam? I’m interested to know how you determined those are used.

Btw, where does it say “Nuovo”? I can’t find it. Is it not on the screenshot?

But “e-waste” means something so outadet that it’s useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.

And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it’s heavily used equipment?

Do you mean you wouldn’t consider it a scam if it has W10 preinstalled instead? How much is MS Office anyway? I know there are $5 W11 keys all over the place.

That seems like an entirely different problem from the one being discussed.

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don’t consider it e-waste.

They’ve got a lot of distros to try out, y’know?

Reinstalling Windows is a generations-honored ritual.

Nowadays there are several tools where you tick options and do it in one click.

It’s definitely not just a couple of seconds, unless you have a very lightweight OS and only 1 or 2 apps to work with. And no matter how little extra time it takes to cold boot the system, there’s still no benefit to doing it that way, so no matter how little that time is, it’s still wasted.

As I mentioned, one is free to use their computer however they wish, but it doesn’t make it not wasteful to shut it down. If grabbing something to eat was part of my daily routine, I’d grab it beforehand, instead of needlessly going back and forth, wake the computer and use it immediately.

Firstly, I normally have way more than two apps open. And secondly, in case of a few apps, I personally still value the couple minutes of my time more than I do 2% of my battery. But to each their own.

I used to have a watercooled PC, I don’t remember it making any sounds while in sleep. Why would the pump run when PC is asleep?

I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.

But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.

Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.

But a sleeping computer is just as quiet as a shut down computer… Which is totally silent. I don’t get it.

Even if it’s only one app, what is the purpose? To save on electricity that powers RAM?