I don’t have evidence on hand, but I have read compelling scholarly articles previously on the matter. Feel free to disregard this discussion point if that’s a dealbreaker.

I would argue that you care a great deal more about one that the other

Your argument would be incorrect, as I have been vegetarian for over 2 decades and vegan for the last 5 years. I’ve just found that trying to sway people online about the meat industry is a fool’s errand, whereas I have had decent success in having constructive conversations about the harms of AI. My meat industry related efforts are focused primarily on face to face interactions.

My stance on AI isn’t based on what’s “trending”, except for the fact that it, as a pretty existential threat in its current trajectory of resource usage, job displacement, and market “growth”, is rapidly starting to infest every aspect of my life. So yes, the trend that AI is following is causing my stance on it to be pertinent to a growing number of conversations.

I’m curious though, what would I have to be doing for you to believe that I’m… I dont know, “allowed”? to talk about AI’s water usage impact?

I’m confused, it seems we agree with eachother - did you mean to reply to the person I replied to, or were you just adding on to my point? :D

I contain multitudes. I can protest the mass growth of datacentres for other industries as well as for AI.

I hadn’t mentioned water usage, but since you bring it up, AI datacentres are being plopped down willy nilly and sucking up all the water from their local area, causing drought. Thats one stark difference between it and agriculture, which isn’t having the same kind of local effect.

However, the US (and other) agriculture+ industry (again, I contain multitudes) doesn’t get a pass. Estimates vary, but it looks like about 30-50% of US agriculture water usage goes to feed which is destined for livestock for the meat industry. I’d say that a person can be both against AI and an outspoken vegan against the meat industry, wouldn’t you?

No, its worse.

When you steal human created art off the internet you aren’t actively harming the environment. You arguably dont even harm the artist because you would never pay them anyway.

When you use an ai image generator, you are actively harming the environment, and actively harming artists by supporting tools that are trained on their art without consent.

Just use the human art, or something like picrew where people make things specifically for folks to use to make their characters for stuff like vtt

Never know if they’d start doing exclusivity deals with Sony shrug

Created their account 7 hours ago and their only posts are these. For sure an ad.

Sure but you press the button to open it on like the same frame the beep starts it skips the beep cutscene and saves you 3 seconds (and sensory hell - as a fellow autism haver)

I gotta say I think this photo is one of the worst ways one could have shown the advancements China has made. China’s done a lot more than lil highway loopies, a bridge, and a ring shaped viewing platform

If you buy up all your potential competition, you have no competition.

AI took down a fuck load of independent/small websites by bombarding them with millions of connections for scraping and by circumventing user traffic to them

Ok bye

The borderlands series kinda fell off a cliff when they forgot that it, at its core, was a big fuck-you to corpo bullshit. Literally was supposed to be a Mad Max style game. Its been dulled down to fart jokes and edgy humour and trying to capitalize on references and trends, with a shiny package and guns.

Please don’t call me man :)

The cat is “out of the bag” on consuming meat and dairy, plenty of people manage to survive and thrive without em, without much effort at all. I’d personally rather use no LLM than use a local agentic model with poor ethics/environmental impact of its training, even if the latter is better than corpo offerings.

As I alluded to, I’m much happier to see people using local agentic models. Even more so if they happen to be something like Pleias’ approach, with lots of transparency about the data they were trained on. There’s still the environmental concerns behind the resources consumed for the training, but it is about as good as one could hope for at this point if one insists on using LLMs.

Eh, mine added value to the conversation. Your “what a stupid comment” comment made no such effort. So hey, swings and roundabouts!

I dont think local agentic models address the ethical and environmental concerns I have with the training - but its better than the corporate offerings :)

Tbh couldn’t care less about the meme your attitude is just weird :3

Pretty harsh self-own, but you do you

Yes, it is the people who are against the corporate AI offerings who are guilty of groupthink, not me!

Sounds like a fun weekend with my girlfriends

Tbf I’d prefer that to stroking someone when I tried to shove them. Stroking them just isn’t in the realm of possible outcomes when an experienced combatant tries to shove someone.