You need to mark sarcasm with /s.

If this is not a joke: the US has the worst privacy protection laws on this planet. Laws in China are almost better. And ironically the worst laws for freedom aswell. There is a reason why we have the GDPR laws in the EU that prohibits any user data transfer to US servers.

But surely somebody is proposing this. And it’s not an entity. It’s a person.

The KDE would need to intercept every single message from start to finish because of forward secrecy. Mass surveillance of such sort would have been noticed by now, even if only 0.01% of people check their safety number with QR code or manual confirmation.

MITM attacks on specific high-level targets would be still possible of course. But if you consider yourself a high-level target outside of mass surveillance you can just check your safety number before initiating a conversation. Because of forward secrecy, you only need to check that once!

But all of that aside, Telegram has none of these things. Telegram is straight-up unencrypted with their default chats and group chats. Telegram is absolute dogshit.

“Some data”? It has all the data to their exposal. Child pornography and othe, crimes are rampant there. They are doing nothing against it for years. And when you don’t even answer mail from officials then you’re to get arrested at some point. This has nothing to do with private communication or chat control. It’s completely unrelated.

Well you don’t even seem to know that the Swizz is not part of the EU. And by being arrested in Spain confirms my point.

Did you know they use the Signal protocol? So literally the same encryption scheme?

Besides, the military isn’t smarter than 30 universities independently confirming the security.

Telegram chats are not encrypted by default, only Secret chat is which is not synced to Desktop and only works on one-to-one chats, no groups.

Why signal developer not with Durov?

Because almost all data is encrypted. They don’t even know who is messaging whom. How can they be charged with crimes they didn’t commit? They don’t know what their users are using the messenger for, so they can just deny everything.

UPD: and you can read messages and listen calls in any chat in signal.

No you can’t unless you have access to the phone itself. It’s impossible. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

Everything that’s encrypted is private and secure. There are messengers that encrypt your messages, profile, who you message, contacts, etc. Use those. If you’re particularly paranoid, read the code and build from source.

That’s what they say. I only trust encryption and not people.

Well, for some unknown reason, drug dealers still choose telegram.

How do you know that not 99% of drug dealers use Signal and 1% Telegram? Could very well be so. You don’t know because it’s all encrypted. That is the whole point. That is also why nobody from Signal got arrested. No law violated if you can deny all allegations.

This is all perfectly legal. This is about public and unencrypted data not being monitored. This is good. I don’t want child pornography in my Instagram feed and I also don’t want it in a Telegram channel. What voting choices are you referring to in particular?

Which country is not authoritarian by that measure?

Wrong community mate.

There exist not EU citizenship because the EU is not a country. That aside, EU countries have stronger dmocracies, and especially stronger privacy protection laws than any other country in the world. What are you talking about? Are you in the correct community?

Why is this posted here? Telegram is not a private or secure messenger.

This is a whole lot of conspiracy bs with no sources provided. But it includes the usual keywords “the system”, “design”, and “ruling class” so you can get your upvotes from like-minded fellows in your bubble.

Have you considered that politics and economics is a little bit more complicated and a lot of gears make the machine? But “the elite pulling the strings” is much easier to understand and you conveniently get an enemy.

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Nobody needs marketing people.

They are testing out how the community would respond :]

You misunderstand. Sometimes you want your public website to be indexed by search engines but not scraped for the next LLM model. If you disallow scraping alltogether, then you won’t be indexed on the internet. That can be a problem.