No such thing as maintainable code ;) Outlaw living I guess - or, at the very least in my book, the legal system needs to be overcome anyways and thus not taken too seriously. Behaving well and playing by the rules serves but the status quo.

Of course we wish to break the cycle. So how do we step out of it? Busses still use oil. Solar energy is still dependent on violent exploitation of the earth. If you choose to go vegan, you’ll likely still need monocultural practices to sustain yourselves. I’m not saying those steps dont matter. They do, they really do - what I’m saying is we’re going to be in the gray no matter what. No right life in the wrong one and all that.

I’d also take to demystifying those corporations: there’s some in there that are as evil and self serving in there as you are suggesting. However, or so I like to believe, many there do wish to create tools to create a quote unquote better world.Honor those honest people and forget about the control freak of a greedy ceo. I think it’s about taking the good from that and leaving the bad behind. We mustn’t fall for binary narratives. AI = bad is simply overly simplistic. When I use AI, it feels like what you’re describing: I’m trying. Trying to play the hand I’ve been dealt. What else can I do?

I tried unlearning everything and getting right to the root.

Then, how do we pull the root? Perhaps, yes, we must leave everything behind and opt for some sort of primitivism; but even there we’d need a gradual shift. If we were to abandon monoculture today, most of us would simply starve. The soil is destroyed, we are dependent on this system. Of course this is no cause to feel defeated and gives no right to rest the case and say: well, it is what it is and it will be what it was.

But we need to also be honest as to how deeply entangled in all of this we are. Otherwise, we’ll also never puzzle our way out of this mess.

And just as public transport and renewable energies and like bio grains are part of this process of going one incomplete and still sort of fucked up step after the other, I don’t see how AI with its undeniably emancipatory possibility can’t be part of that as well. You don’t need a big team of well-paid engineers anymore to get actually functional shit of the ground anymore and that is frankly exciting! There’s another side to it as well, one of dependence and cognitive-creative outsourcing to some revered god-like creation, there’s no denying that. But there are at the very least these two sides to it, and to pretend that this possibly positive part doesn’t exist is denying reality.

One last note on degrowth: there are, propably, very different paths available as well. I think it has lots to do witg meditation, fasting, dance and music and art and communal healing. This is the long road, I feel. But we find ourselves in isolates times indeed, hidden in our circuit castles, and so on circuits we dance until we see fresh air again! Maybe I should forget about tech alltogether. In fact, I considered it deeply these past few weeks. Mostly because of what you’re saying in terms of not wanting to contribute to the problem. Now, I don’t draw that problem line at AI… for me it has more so to do with the paradigms powering computing more generally that I sort of detest: quantification, normalization, tabularization, beaurocratication… But I guess I’ve got decent tolerance of ambiguity. As much as I philosophically criticize those ideas: they are powerful indeed and I’m not sure I’m strong enough to not compromise with them. Know your enemies better than your friends. They work. Maybe I don’t want to work. Not in that way, anyway. Maybe I just wish to contemplate and disattach from worldy ambitions. Maybe I just want to be with friends, birds, and plants. Maybe, being so close to “the enemy” turns you into one yourself. Maybe, however, there might not be any enemy after all. Must we always look at the world through antagonistic dualism? If only I could tell what road to take, for me personally but also for humanity at large! Anyway, at this point I really am rambling. Perhaps we can sort some of this out though :-)

well of course, but this argument could be extended to the use of just about any technology (ethics of mining, reality of elecitricty etc.) and also most societal structures (opressive, classist, racist, sexist, whatever). but then how do you actually olve those problems? i say: not inside some void vacuum and some clean perfect solution. no, you step through the mud to get to the other side!

why not?

definitely interested what you theelnk on the miatter :D

very very fascinating indeed, you’re right they’re like really far. though it seems central server based instead of entirely p2p mesh/mycdlium networked… details huh. i love the projects that are on there fr thx so much 4 sharing <3 are you by any chance involved in their team? i’d love meeting them :-)

i’m aware and already considering where to move it to. really dont want github. perhaps git.gay ? you got any recommendations?

if you interact with tech/society at all, you’re going to be close to LLM’S by proxy. and of course theres lots of spam and hype surrounding them, but there’s also very legit use cases for them. esp for what you just described: that’s literally what i’ve done, only, ofc, to have ai handle that instead of people. in this day and age, how do you reckon are people going to approach coding that anyways? theres many cases in which i think letting ai near it would be devastating; having it write some basic GUI i think is a good use case for it if you don’t happen to have a whole team behind you. ofc you can bring up ecological costs; but then - thats something you have to take on even if you forbid AI entirely. 2-3 queries vs 8-10 hrs of programming work where there is some PC on, music playing, perhaps some heavy IDE on, 15-30 online searches… its not like these things are free either. so what i come back to: why wouldn’t you touch that stuff? if the code it produces is reviewed - as it is in this case, i have personally checked every single line of code i’ve uploades - like… the capabilties of these tools are plain and simply amazing. there’s no denying that. theres no denying either that data centers can be problematic. but then i guess we’ve got to choose our poison. i tried to be a seclusive hermit and renounce all society: that didnt work out well for me. if we want to act in this world it seems we need to compromise to some degree. and to me, personally, i think ai could greatly contribute to technological emancipation if used responsibly. as i said, i think its mostly a matter of where, when, how and why you use it.

well it’s a prototype and that is vibe coded. once there’s a “we” instead of just me i think there’ll be less of it. though, i think for CRUD and basic GUI generation i don’t see why one shouldn’t vibe code if one has no artistic ambitions in those regards. i think when it comes to creating the mycelized network protocol is where we’ll really really need to be all-human so to speak as well as in general design decisions. again: just a prototype though. i am a programmer but i think it’d be wrong for me to personally to decide on large parts of the architecture of this particular project given that it’s intended to be an experiment in like true community creation, you see? so uhm tldr: yes absolutely no shame in that it’s literally just CRUD.

whats your thoughts on LLM’s in coding, communal coding and how it relates to this project in particular?

check out the matrix or the newly made stewbards_hub community here on slrpnk.net to engage in some questions that might be of interest for you as well-. generally, i’d love to hear all of your rhoughts on all of these matters lol