FLOSS virtualization hacker, occasional brewer

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Cake day: June 9th, 2023

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  • I can absolutely understand some of the objections and I understand why writers and artists are pissed. My code has always been free software so I don’t object to it being in the training sets because that seems fair use according to the four freedoms.

    The power usage is definitely a concern but that holds up for all computing. I don’t see people up in arms about inefficient CI loops retesting the whole world for a single line change. Think of savings that could be made!


  • The phrase vibecode has become totally meaningless. The original use was too “give in too the vibes” and let the agent go wild. There is no indication that is what Linus is doing.

    The fact is LLM’s have proven to be good at finding bugs. Suitably constrained they can be diligent and helpful assistants.

    The Bun experience is instructive and if that was Linus’ end goal it would be concerning but I don’t see any evidence that any of the Linux maintainers are interested in that sort of wholesale conversion. The good projects with taste will adjust to the new tools and the slop projects will eventually collapse under their own contradictory architectures.


  • The reactions to this have been pretty hysterical considering this is an experimental branch on his own repository. I’m not surprised he might experiment with using AI agents to solve a particular pain point to see how it does. This is using agents to experiment with things that you might not have time to address normally.

    Another recent example is the build system where the author said:

    An LLM was used to first determine where the bottlenecks were then to figure out how to improve them. It generated a lot of code, much of it hideous.

    I extensively audited and rewrote a lot of it, and heavily edited commit messages, the cover letter and comments.

    off-loading the boring grunt work of identifying bottle necks and trying new approaches seems like an ideal task for a junior agent to deal with as long is you don’t YOLO the result to the lists for other humans to de-slopify for you.



  • The project I’m working on has had regular discussion about whether we should move from our email list and patch workflow to a more PR focused approach for a number of years now. Something that works for us greybeards is anathema to younger engineers who grew up on GitHub.

    I suspect the current slopocolypse is going to delay that move for a few more years until this wave of disruption has settled down.



  • Slop projects and slop submissions existed before the current crop of AI but it’s certainly lowered the barrier. That said I suspect there are places AI can help. Simple patches, human guided refactores, test cases. We’ll have data points from the projects that turned on the slop cannons and started auto accepting PRs soon enough.



  • I’m not sure there is a better way - all the user moderation approaches I’ve seen involve leaning on the regulars to spot stuff. The alternative is dedicated moderators which tends to lead to it’s own problems. I don’t think you want to rely on those who have just signed up as that would be open to abuse pretty quickly.


  • If the bugs were being found in code that is used heavily in production I’d agree. Spamming the tracker with 100’s of bugs in random unmaintained areas of the code base just wastes everyone’s time. Perhaps as a project we should be more aggressive in deprecating code but the threat profile for someone running firmware blobs from their camera is very different from people launching untrusted guests on their shared hosting infrastructure.