Right, you actually can’t AFAIK but you can disable it.
It’s indeed not the point. GrapheneOS focus is on security. If you want to have complete control you’d better go with a Linux proper phone but AFAICT, unless you are fine with ~4hrs battery and/or can spend 1000€ on a device that very people have, it’s not for most.
Yes, I have a PinePhone and PinePhone Pro both with PostMarketOS so doing this is as easy as few sudo apk add packagename or sudo apk del firefox.
Now… if you want a daily driver then as few others hinted at, it’s much harder. I would instead, if deGoogle Android is an acceptable compromise for you, get a 2nd hand Pixel 8 or above, install GrapheneOS on it, remove the browser and that’s pretty much it already since it doesn’t come with an app store or equivalent. Well, there’s the GrapheneOS equivalent but there are ~10 apps on it at most last time I checked.
I don’t think it actually is. It’s only like that the very first time when you haven’t you this specific distribution itself. Once you know how the few extra step and understand the core principle, it’s trivial.
PS: I did tinker with NixOS, SteamOS and ROCKNIX.
I’m not sure.
I’m a professional tinkerer and I run Debian stable. OK ok it’s not an immutable distro but my point is that I do tinker, just NOT with my main OS.
I’ll tinker in containers, in VMs, in my ~/bin etc but NOT in what hosts all that.
So I would argue that what’s important for tinkerers is to establish clear boundaries on what they want to tinker on and what they do NOT want to tinker on, what can change vs what should never.
Try GNU Taler https://www.taler.net/
I’m aware (unfortunately) of the marketing claims and even if they might be true, as you say it is “for now”. So if it’s only temporary for that arm race, especially if held by a company who leaked its own code just days ago, then I have a hard time understanding why ‘zero-days are numbered’ because this title claims the dynamic itself is gone. That’s now my understanding, especially if other models are just marginally (which is hard to prove with models, finding proper metrics) worst than it.
See comment that shared https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/21/unauthorized-group-has-gained-access-to-anthropics-exclusive-cyber-tool-mythos-report-claims just few hours ago, and that’s not even sophisticated.
Anthropic and OpenAI have multiple times used this arm race rhetoric before and it worked. Their models are supposedly “too dangerous” to be released thus consequently they have to control access.
It might be true but so far what we have witnessed is that roughly equivalent models get released by others merely weeks or maybe months after, sometimes open, but the “moat” never lasted long so I’m questioning why it would be different this time.
That doesn’t make sense. Don’t the attackers have the same tools?
IMHO the question depends on :
So… sure Signal is not perfect but if you can’t convince your family members to move to DeltaChat it sure beats using WhatsApp, Telegram, etc.
I’ll simplify for the downvotes : “a De-Googled OS […] cannot compromise […] Google Maps”
"considering setting up a De-Googled OS as well, but there are a few things that I cannot compromise on:
Sorry but … is this a joke?
No sabotage required. It’s typically poor tool with no strategy behind the so called deployment. AI snake oil salesmen claimed that AI could boost productivity AND be a scapegoat to cull the workforce, shareholders demand both, managers obliged, now the shit show is everywhere with no gains in sight.
Murena who maintained /e/OS sells FairPhones with /e/OS pre-installed so I imagine support for it is good.
I only used /e/OS on a CMF Phone 1 for about a year and liked it. I only moved to Graphene OS as a way to get a small cheaper 2nd hand phone. In my experience it’s a good OS and I had no headaches with /e/OS.
OK. I’ll just claim French privacy law is better than GDPR then. If you ask I’ll just point you to French law. If you tell me that doesn’t help I’ll call you a troll.
I mean honestly if that’s how you interact with people I’d rather just block you, I don’t need more noise in my life. Take care.
IMHO LLM usage isn’t coherent with independence. That being said I wrote quite a bit on self-hosting LLMs. There are quite a few tools available, like ollama itself relying on llama.cpp that can both work locally and provide an API compatible replacement to cloud services. As you suggested though typically at home one doesn’t have the hardware, GPUs with 100+GB of VRAM, to run the state of the art. There is a middle ground though between full cloud, API key, closed source vs open source at home on low-end hardware : running STOA open models on cloud. It can be done on any cloud but it’s much easier to start with dedicated hardware and tooling, for that HuggingFace is great but there are multiples.
TL;DR: closed cloud -> models on clouds -> self-hosted provide a better path to independence, including training.
How is asking to justify a position trolling? You are the one who claimed that Danish law is better than GDPR. I didn’t claim you lie or that law elsewhere was better, I solely asked for the proof. It’s not because I mistrust you, I just want to learn and you saying it is so without an actual comparison is not enough. If you don’t want to help that’s perfectly OK you can just say so. It’s fine to say you prefer Danish product because they are better and refuse to give proof that it’s the case. It won’t help me nor others though.
It’s the Privacy community on Lemmy, I bet others would love to learn too.
AI tools can find bugs faster than they can be patched
Not a security expert but wasn’t that the case already? It feels like before AI there were already a lot more bugs, security related or not, on backlogs. That’s precisely why there are metrics like severity.
Bought a 2nd-hand Pixel 8 to put GrapheneOS on it, not sure if that counts. Feels old, more ecological, cheaper and more private. Not sure how repairable it is but in theory I can use it for up 7 years so hopefully by the time I need to repair it I wouldn’t even want to.
Thanks, skimmed through https://www.recordinglaw.com/world-laws/world-data-privacy-laws/denmark-data-privacy-laws/ but it’s quite difficult to do a “diff” between one and the other. From reading it I didn’t notice significantly better for my normal usage but I’m not a lawyer. It also makes me wonder, if you have done it, how do you know it’s not better than say another random EU country also national specific modifications, e.g. Slovenia? Is there any “benchmark” somewhere that identifies which national changes are better?
Why would anyone who care about privacy not provide a new alternative WITH a benchmark comparing the newcomer to what already exists (e.g. Google Android, GrapheneOS, PostMarketOS, /e/OS, iOS, etc) and 3rd party audit is beyond me.
It’s a pragmatic compromise. The assumption is that Google is not literally evil, solely a very large advertisement company which subsidize very cool hardware in order to sell more ads. It’s the same principle as using a rooted Meta Quest when one doesn’t even have a Facebook or WhatsApp account.
I imagine than everybody who is into that situation will move to Motorola or Valve Frame when those will become available. Until then the bet is that the hardware does not have hardware backdoors because so far nobody disclosed any.
If you really are into trusting hardware I recommend checking https://precursor.dev/ and similar initiatives.
I did mention Linux phones too but again that’s not for everyone.
IMHO it’s much better to use a GrapheneOS deGoogle Android device today, knowing the limitation, than using a Googled Android device today, Pixel or not, and complaining about all the limitations about it while waiting for a theoretical better solution that is simply not yet available.