So… how can we help them?

That’s not my understanding of the definition of the Overton window. If I check Wikipedia it’s about mainstream, “The Overton window is the range of subjects and arguments politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.” which is precisely why I contrasted our own “local” Overton window to the “normal” mainstream one. Also “normal” means what is now the norm, it’s now about what’s “right” or “wrong”.

Sure I would prefer our local Overton window here in the Privacy community of Lemmy to be the “normal” one, the mainstream one, and I do how it is shifting this way, but until they actually match, if they ever do (which I doubt) then I think it’s important to distinguish what we want versus what is.

Because most of what you said is true but Lemmy is, unlike the most popular platforms, full of very selective individual. The overton window is different here than the mainstream. We half very different threshold and here in the Privacy community even more so on that topic. It might be “good enough” for most but if it’s not entirely open source, or rather free software, and with reproducible builds, and self-hostable, and federated, and built by people with impeccable background, and… and… and… that starts to be quite a bit.

I said this in numerous other posts, IMHO what matters is doing better, not “best” that unattainable. For some people Proton is better than what they had until now, e.g. GMail, but for others who move away from GMail to Proton and now self-host, it’s not good enough anymore.

So it depends on where you are on a multidimensional spectrum that is unique to your needs.

Doesn’t matter, even if they do then you and others, well I guess “we” now, can come up with another solution. AdBlocks are still there … because they work. It costs very little to fix (add or modifying a regex by 1 person that suddenly reaches thousands if not millions of users) whereas they have to find a new solution that is indeed compatible. It’s not a race they can win.

Not everyone car for the same things nor has the same abilities indeed, that’s why I’m thinking of optional filters. I also want to clarify the process is important to keep in mind, namely if somebody just started to move away from BigTech or surveillance capitalism or whatever is problematic for them, it’s not the same as somebody else who dedicated their live to that a decade ago. So IMHO the hope is that people can add more and more filters whenever they feel comfortable they have the available resources to do so. It’s a journey for each of us, on different paths at difference paces.

I’d add criteria, e.g.

• GDPR compliant
• no link with advertising companies
• free software or open source
• self-hostable
• security audit

etc and overall have a reasonable default option but not hide that there are alternative. We want everybody to move away but if everybody moves to Proton as a suite and they enshitify then we are (nearly) back to square one. So I think showing that good alternatives exist is great. Helping people who already use an alternative others, maybe even better one for THEIR criteria also exist, is even better.

I’d also add a Github (or better CodeBerg or self-hosted Gitea) link at the bottom to https://github.com/ente-io/privacypack with the license (MIT) visible.

Indeed but I still recommend to be explicit when you re-route around.

If you do move on, please take a minute to contact the Website or service and tell them why. If “we” just collectively walk out they might not understand why.

In order to make this easier I wrote a short template :

To whom it may concern, I tried visiting your Website today to use your service as it looked like what I need. Unfortunately the verification method you use requires a mobile phone verified by Google. This is not something I have nor do I want to due to privacy concern. Google being a large and powerful advertising company I do not trust them with my data. Do you have an alternative way for me to confirm that I am indeed not a bot that puts your service at risk?

Feel free to use this verbatim or adapt it and share back.

I’ll just leave this here… https://debian.org/

I didn’t suggest he would run things, only share his expertise with peers.

It’s disappointing yet unsurprising to read the recurring answers, namely :

• cost
• incumbency

precisely because it’s absolutely avoidable and a well known strategy. It’s so well known that it’s precisely why Micro$lop bought Github in the first place. People are there and the free tiers is enough to get the long tail.

Meanwhile since that strategy happened people who consider smart enough should know the genuine cost behind this : it’s a TRAP. Plain and simple, you get there and you get STUCK there.

So… yes it takes some sweat and even some money to leave the trap … but if you care about freedom, as most free software or open-source developers might, then it’s aligned with your value.

Doubt it, most other online stores with the same coverage do offer similar conditions.

Right, like how Micro$lop :

• blocked repository search without login (while it worked before the acquisition)
• pushed in the most traditional Micro$lop fashion for its own product, e.g. Copilot, with in product ads
• use repositories as ways to feed its own set of products, e.g. Azure for OpenAI, in order to push for code generation while ignoring licenses

and all the other things (please feel free to make this list more comprehensive) as “reparations”?

It’s the same old "Embrace, extend, and extinguish " (EEE) scheme they’ve been (sadly successfully) running for decades now.

So happy with my 2nd hand Pixel 8. No BS, ecologically acceptable IMHO and yes runs most Android apps thanks to GrapheneOS.

Compared to CopyParty, been using it for few months now, does it also means no directory and no way to explore, namely dropping files more than organizing?

Hopefully he’ll contribute to GrapheneOS or F-Droid.

Agreed, it’s as if you would let the locksmith go through your mail, indefinitely, after they fixed your frontdoor.

Absolutely ridiculous, right? Well… not so much when your entire digital life goes through gatekeepers like Google, Apple or Microsoft.

You jest but it’s a thing https://cooldowns.dev/

That’s the worst part, their justification for more information to make one safer doesn’t even work. For-profit security theater.

what breaks the immersion

This isn’t a game, it’s about your freedom, our freedom.

If you want to use Brave to watch YouTube… well I don’t think you really care. The fact that somehow watching a video on a gaming rig isn’t fast enough so clearly not normal. That being said honestly it’s good you did try.