I’m personally against copyrights as a concept and absolutely don’t care about this aspect, especially when it comes to open models. The way I look at is that the model is unlocking this content and making this knowledge available to humanity.

Ah yes, they must be stealing IP from the future when they publish novel papers on things nobody’s done before!

I’m actually building LoRAs for a project right now, and found that qwen3-8b-base is the most flexible model for that. The instruct is already biased for prompting and agreeing, but the base model is where it’s at.

the media doesn’t exactly bring it to people’s attention, so you really have to go digging on your own to find out

Yup, and this is precisely why it was such a monumental mistake to move away from GPL style copyleft to permissive licenses. All that achieved was to allow corporations to freeload.

I very much agree there, but think of how much worse it would be if we were stuck dealing with proprietary corporate tech instead.

How is that wishful thinking? Open models are advancing just as fast as proprietary ones and they’re now getting much wider usage as well. There are also economic drivers that favor open models even within commercial enterprise. For example, here’s Airbnb CEO saying they prefer using Qwen to OpenAI because it’s more customizable and cheaper

“We’re relying a lot on Alibaba’s Qwen model. It’s very good. It’s also fast and cheap,” he said. “We use OpenAI’s latest models, but we typically don’t use them that much in production because there are faster and cheaper models.”

I expect that we’ll see exact same thing happening as we see with Linux based infrastructure muscling out proprietary stuff like Windows servers and Unix. Open models will become foundational building blocks that people build stuff on top of.

O7

The real friends were the internal dilemmas we made along the way.

Not if we have a nuclear winter first.

A Canticle for Leibowitz is turning out to be prophetic.

All I know is that you’re a deranged troll.

Why would I feed a fascist troll? Not like these topics haven’t been discussed to death already.

you’re a fascist, everybody knows you’re a fascist, at least own up to it and be honest with yourself

Europe is pretty much entirely dependent on US platforms having failed to develop their own the way China and Russia did. There’s no European Yandex or Baidu equivalent, no European Alibaba, and so on.

Cowbee nailed the core distinctions, but let me add that open source provides a living counter argument to the deeply ingrained dogma that capitalist hierarchies and profit incentives are the only way to organize labor and drive innovation. It’s a useful tool for talking about alternative ways to organize labor to people who’ve been indoctrinated into capitalist way of thinking.

Every day, developers around the world contribute to projects like Linux or Wikipedia without a single dollar changing hands. They collaborate, debug, and build for shared purpose, recognition, or pure intellectual curiosity. This isn’t a fringe phenomenon either, it’s a massive, global ecosystem that produces tools and systems entire industries rely on.

Open source demonstrates that people don’t need to be managed by shareholders or driven by personal profit to create complex and valuable things. Workers can self organize efficiently all on their own. Different projects and communities manage to interoperate and thrive organically within this framework.

So open source stands as a direct and tangible refutation to the argument that without capitalism nothing would get done. It’s concrete proof that cooperation can fuel advancement and that we’ve been sold a story about work and motivation that is fundamentally flawed.

Everybody needs to read Psychological Warfare in the Strategy of Imperialism. It shows how this stuff evolved since WW2. One of the particularly interesting bits there was the discussion of the whole narrative we see today in the west that western media is unbiased, and it’s just presenting neutral facts. The whole book is absolutely incredible because it lays bare how this sort of propaganda works in practice.

maybe it’s a vacuum lifter :)

I just post this stuff for other people reading the thread, I don’t expect the trolls to actually read it.

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