You’re right that mockery is a terrible way to convert anyone. I think the real issue is that you’re not going to reach everyone, and that means we have to be strategic about where we put our energy. When someone is genuinely asking questions or wrestling with ideas in good faith, that’s where patient, respectful dialogue is essential.

But a huge amount of online discourse isn’t that. It’s just bad faith concern trolling, sealioning, or just repeating liberal pieties. Engaging with that on its own terms is a trap because it wastes time and gives legitimacy to arguments designed to waste our time.

A sharp dismissal or ridicule draws a clear line, shows others they don’t have to entertain every bad argument, and prevents the conversation from being derailed. The target is the audience, not the provocateur. So while it’s useless for persuasion, I’d argue that it has a role in defining the boundaries of the discussion.

what level of brain rot is this, oh wait lemmy.world, that explains things

And then they’d need to be able to verify that the code actually meets these requirements. That might even necessitate specifying these requirements in some sort of a formal language…

https://welshundergroundnetwork.cymru/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdf

🤣

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

It’s a completely different situation in China. This tech is being treated as open source commodity similar to Linux, and companies aren’t trying to monetize it directly. There’s no crazy investment bonanza happening in China either. Companies like DeepSeek are developing this tech on fairly modest budgets, and they’re already starting to make money https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/30/cnbcs-the-china-connection-newsletter-chinese-ai-companies-make-money.html

I mean the paper and code are published. This isn’t a heuristic, so there’s no loss of accuracy. I’m not sure why you’re saying this is too good to be true, the whole tech is very new and there are lots of low hanging fruit for optimizations that people are discovering. Every few months some discovery like this is made right now. Eventually, people will pluck all the easy wins and it’s going to get harder to dramatically improve performance, but for the foreseeable future we’ll be seeing a lot more stuff like this.

Almost certainly given that it drastically reduces the cost of running models. Whether you run them locally or it’s a company selling a service, the benefits here are pretty clear.

truly

I haven’t tried it with ollama, but it can download gguf files directly if you point it to a huggingface repo. There are a few other runners like vllm and llama.cpp, you can also just run the project directly with Python. I expect the whole Product of Experts algorithm is going to get adopted by all models going forward since it’s such a huge improvement, and you can just swap out the current approach.

good point

Not having ads blasted in my face 24/7 was one of the best things about growing up in USSR, and I didn’t even appreciate it at the time.

Sanctions are not a siege: They target trade and finance. While they hurt the general population (that’s often the point), they are not the primary cause of famine when food distribution and production are controlled by the government.

If that was the case then DPRK would’ve had a famine already before sanctions. Yet, the famine directly coincides with the fall of USSR and the start of sanctions. Clearly the concept of cause and effect is just too complex for you to grasp.

Literally the first sentence from Harvard economists:

GDP was not designed to assess welfare or the well being of citizens. It was designed to measure production capacity and economic growth.

Keep on ignoring facts though as is your custom.

But GDP is the most basic measure of a nation’s capacity to produce wealth.

That’s a meaningless metric without the context of how the wealth is distributed. The whole reason occupied Korea is now in a social crisis is due to the fact that majority of the working population is unable to make ends meet. We don’t even have to make up defectors to find out how bad things are: 75% of young want to escape South Korean ‘Hell’

You’re rejecting

I’m rejecting the imbecilic narrative you’re trying to paint. I guess these types of arguments worked well for you when you were engaging with other fascists on reddit.

When you dismiss every source of information that contradicts the premise of a socialist utopia, you are not engaging in an honest debate; you are simply asserting an ideological fantasy. The evidence of systemic failure is overwhelming. Take care.

LMFAO literally what you’ve been doing throughout this whole discussion. The evidence of you being unable to engage with reality is overwhelming. Take care.

Nobody said sanctions have no effect—that’s a straw man. The point is that sanctions are not the primary cause of mass starvation.

They literally are, and plenty of studies have been done on the subject. Everybody with even a shred of intellectual honesty knows that sanctions are a modern form of siege warfare designed to starve the population.

Sanctions reduce external trade, but when a regime prioritizes the military over its citizens and uses an ideologically rigid farming system (Juche) that fails regardless of external trade, that is mismanagement.

Simply repeating nonsense over and over won’t make it true baby Goebbels.

The leadership decided to let millions starve rather than reform or appeal for help until it was too late.

Ah yes, the leadership was supposed to wave a magic wand around and replace all the food and fertilizer by wishing it into existence. The utter lack of capacity for critical thought on display here is truly stunning.

Sure, here’s the citation

Ah yes, defectors are obviously a reliable source of information who have no ulterior motives. Your intelligence continues to shine bright.

You’re swinging hard against standard economics here.

Buddy, any economist will tell you that GDP is not a measure of standard of living. The only one swinging hard here is you because you’re too ignorant to discuss the subject. Here, go educate yourself instead of continuing to make a clown of yourself in public https://hbr.org/2019/10/gdp-is-not-a-measure-of-human-well-being

This is the central ideological fantasy: A guarantee of low-quality, insufficient welfare is better than the risk of high-quality capitalism.

An amazing straw man you cobbled together there. The fantasy version if DPRK you’re describing sounds fascinating.

I’ll keep believing in the hard facts provided by the UN, the Bank of Korea, and 34,000 eyewitnesses who risked their lives to escape. You stick to the fantasy.

That’s adorable. Go back to reddit debate bro.

This is a spectacular attempt to shift blame. No serious historian blames the US trade embargo for the famine’s death toll.

No, it’s the basic fact of the situation which you, being the troll that you are, continue try to dance around.

This is a spectacular attempt to shift blame. No serious historian blames the US trade embargo for the famine’s death toll.

Yeah, no possible way being cut off from trade could affect the food supply in the country. If sanctions didn’t harm the populations of the target countries then the US wouldn’t be using them. Amazing how this basic detail escaped your genius mind.

Food was hoarded for the military and elite in Pyongyang while regional populations starved.

[citation needed]

A starving population that maintains its birth rate is not an economic win; it’s a social tragedy.

Except that north is no longer starving, while food insecurity is a real problem in the south which your own bleatings claim has a better economic situation 🤡 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12939-023-01937-z

This is a classic defensive move when your system has an objectively pathetic GDP.

GDP is not a measure of quality of life as any economist would tell you. There are actual measures like PQL for that.

GDP and GDP per Capita are the standard, baseline metrics for comparing economic output. While they don’t capture happiness or inequality perfectly (that’s what the Human Development Index, HDI, is for), they absolutely measure the size of the pie a country has to divide.

Economic output has fuck all to do with the standard of living. In fact, you can have very high economic output as we see in occpupied Korea achieved through brutal exploitation of the working population.

This is outright false. The DPRK guarantees these things on paper, but the quality is nonexistent for the vast majority of the population:

It’s not, but you’ve already made it clear that you’ll just make things up and ignore facts.

What the south doesn’t have is guarantees of access. You do not have a job guarantee and without a job you have nothing. That’s the elephant in the room that you artlessly danced around.

The Total Scoreboard: 34,000+ people have escaped North Korea for the South. Less than 30 have publicly documented returning.

Sure little buddy. You keep on believing that.

This is arguably the most insane sentence in your post. Estimates range from 600,000 to 3 million deaths during that famine. A state that cannot feed its people to the point where 5-10% of the population starves to death has not “successfully weathered” anything; it has failed its most basic function. Framing mass starvation as “resilience” against US imperialism is incredibly disrespectful to the victims of that regime’s mismanagement.

What part of the north having been dependent on the trade that the US cut them off from are you struggling with there? Most of the arable land land is in the south, and DPRK had to figure out how to produce food in the mountains. The fact that you call that mismanagement exposes that you’re a just a troll.

Where is this data coming from?

From the fact that people are actually having children in DPRK unlike in the south

Since the early 1990s, the birth rate has been fairly stable, with an average of 2 children per woman, down from an average of 3 in the early 1980s.

Trying to use GDP to measure the quality of the economy is sheer idiocy and no serious economist would suggest doing that. In fact, GDP was never meant to do that.

Even with “growth” from selling artillery shells to Russia, the average North Korean lives on a fraction of the income of a South Korean.

People in DPRK have guaranteed housing, jobs, food, healthcare, and public transportation. None of these things are available to people in the south by default. Measuring income without accounting for the cost of living further illustrates just how utterly unequipped you are to discuss the subject you’re attempting to debate here.

There is a reason 34,000 people have defected from North to South, and basically zero have gone the other way. People vote with their feet.

Meanwhile in the real world https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/asia/north-korea-defectors-return-intl-hnk-dst

You’re an utter ignoramus and you have no business opining on the subject. Take the L and move on.

I’ve literally been contextualizing the article throughout this whole discussion for you. At least we can agree that continuing this is pointless. Bye.

And once again, what the article is actually talking is how LLMs are being sold to investors. At this point, I get the impression that you simply lack basic reading comprehension to understand the article you’re commending on.

The title is not false. If you actually bothered to read the article, you’d see that the argument being made is that the AI tech companies are selling a vision to their investors that’s at odds with the research. The current LLM based approach to AI cannot achieve general intelligence.