Exactly, in China you have meaningful direct participation of the working class in governance. In the west, there’s practically no worker representation in any major political party, and there is no 12345 equivalent for people to submit any feedback or criticism. All you get to do is pull a lever every few years to decide which member of the ruling class will repress you.

That is literally the definition of democracy, a government that implements the will of the public. It’s absolutely hilarious how you lump Singapore, which uses a democratic framework featuring regular elections and universal suffrage, with UAE and Rwanda. It once again highlights that you have absolutely no business discussing this subject.

The reality is that we have ample proof that procedural guarantees like elections, term limits, and oligarch owned press do fuck all to facilitate meaningful democracy. They create a procedural democracy where all the boxes are checked, but the government is in no way accountable to the working majority. It’s a dictatorship of capital.

And no, people in China aren’t taking the government’s word on anything. The single party is very much accountable to the public because its very legitimacy rests on implementing the will of the public. Meanwhile, liberal multi party systems simply play hot potato with responsibility.

Popular approval held up considerably longer than it should have.

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And 62-77% is still far ahead of vast majority of western countries. And you will get different results depending on the questions you ask and how you measure. That’s just how surveys work. No methodology is perfect, but when EVERY single study on China consistently shows that majority of the population says they have a democracy and they support their government, it’s frankly idiotic to claim that’s not the case.

People liking their government does not make it a democracy. That’s just a hamfisted straw man you’re making though. The question asked is whether they feel they are being represented, and whether the government works in their interest. Also, if majority of people liked Mussolini, he definitely would not have ended up the way he did.

Democracy is not about removing the government either. It’s, once again, about having a government which implements the will of the majority. This is demonstrably the case in China. Perhaps learn what democracy actually is before wasting other people’s time attempting to debate a subject you’re woefully ignorant on?

Number of parties have fuck all to do with democracy as we can clearly see with western attempts at liberal democracies. What matters is that the government can be held accountable to the people and it works in the interest of the public. China demonstrably outperforms vast majority of western attempts at implementing democracy in this key regard.

We only need to look at the latest Democracy Perception Index, compiled by the Alliance of Democracies Foundation (in partnership with Nita Data). The Alliance of Democracies Foundation, the organization behind the report, cannot even remotely be suspected of being some sort of anti-West outlet: it was started by an ex-NATO Secretary General (Anders Fogh Rasmussen) and its stated purpose is “to unite world democracies”. The report measures “perception is reality” because, like it or not, what people believe about their system is what determines its legitimacy. A democracy that nobody actually experiences as one can’t credibly claim to be one.

Like every single year, according to the Chinese people themselves, China is one of the most democratic countries in the world. And I’ll just preempt the whole Chinese people are afraid to express their opinion nonsense. If that were the case you’d see the same dynamic in other presumed “authoritarian” countries. But Russia scores -21, Belarus -9, Kazakhstan -31. If “fear of the regime” explained China’s +14, why aren’t Russians and Belarusians equally afraid?

Professor Jason Hickel, who is an economic anthropologist, also wrote an article on exactly this topic titled “Support for government in China: is the data accurate?” where he systematically dismantles the “fear bias” argument by examining studies that used anonymized and implicit methodologies. His verdict is that across every methodology tested, Chinese people mean what they say. https://jasonhickel.substack.com/p/support-for-government-in-china-is

There’s also a higher perception of freedom of speech in China than in the immense majority of Western countries, including in the United States. Meaning that when you ask the Chinese people, a higher proportion of them feel they “can criticize the government without consequences” than in the US.

O7

Also Khrushchevkas were built because a lot of existing housing was destroyed during the war, and USSR needed to house millions of people quickly.

I didn’t mention Russia in a single comment in this thread.

Oh they very much do if you bothered engaging with them. But hey you keep on spreading your propaganda to receptive audiences. Clearly you’re very dedicated to whitewashing fascism.

No, I said all the other resources I linked proved ethnic cleansing. This was just the cherry on top that I linked much later. Try to keep your story straight. You’ve conflated to completely separate things here being the clown that you are. I didn’t drop anything, I’ve just been addressing your dishonest comments which focused on the notebook. I’ve already repeatedly explained the basis for calling what Ukraine was doing ethnic cleansing. You’re just so bad at trolling. Really should work on that kiddo.

I think people should do whatever works for them.

When you definitely know what fascism is.

thanks for sharing a visual representation of your process

*takes a rip off a bong*

I started with what Firefox translates, but I’m humoring your interpretation which isn’t any better. I didn’t move any goalposts, I’m simply pointing out that no matter how you try to spin this, it’s obviously Budanov referring to people he sees as subhuman. And it’s hilarious how you keep trying to whitewash this. Next, you’re gonna tell me homophobia isn’t prevalent in Ukraine. 🤣

lmao no that’s not what it means, it means a list of fwords and nobody with even a modicum of intellectual integrity would translate it as a list of bastards. You’re so bad at this. It’s like when you trolls call nazi tattoos Hindu symbols. 🤣

What you’ll find is that understanding of socialism in the west is largely shaped by the CIA, meaning that there is no actual understanding.

Specifically a homophobic slur of the types fascists use when they round up undesirables.

Pragmatic action is not possible without socialist scholarship. You can’t take effective action without understanding how systems of power form in the first place, and how to organize effectively to combat them. Understanding class interests is at the core of that. How anybody could think they could skip understanding the problems before solving them is beyond me. The results in western organizing really do speak for themselves though.

Sure bud, but yes the other meaning is pretty clear too, which is a homophobic slur. The claim I made is that war crimes are conducted in the interest of ethnic cleansing and that the regime isn’t even hiding it, Poroshenko was very open about the intent. It’s just trolls like you in the west who pretend it’s something else. Russia didn’t need to fabricate anything. You’re just a deeply dishonest individual. Go do you trolling back on your fed instance where people aren’t going to call out your bullshit.

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