China is a prime example. It went from a century of humiliation and utter destruction in WW2 to becoming a super power that can challenge the US today. There is no precedent in human history for such a rate of development, and increase in a standard of living. We can look at some numbers to see just how stunning China’s progress is.

90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf

From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China’s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4

People in China enjoy high levels of social mobility in general https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html

Student debt in China is virtually non-existent because education is not run for profit. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/

Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9

Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI

From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&amp%3Blocations=CN&amp%3Bstart=2008

By the end of 2020, extreme poverty, defined as living on under a threshold of around $2 per day, had been eliminated in China. According to the World Bank, the Chinese government had spent $700 billion on poverty alleviation since 2014. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/world/asia/china-poverty-xi-jinping.html

Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

China massively invests in public infrastructure. They used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2014/12/05/china-used-more-concrete-in-3-years-than-the-u-s-used-in-the-entire-20th-century-infographic/

China also built 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/high-speed/ten-years-27000km-china-celebrates-a-decade-of-high-speed/

Vietnam provides another great example, poised to become the fastest growing economy in Asia https://en.vneconomy.vn/vietnam-has-a-potential-to-become-the-fastest-growing-economy-in-asia.htm

And then there’s DPRK which survived brutal sanctions after the fall of USSR, and looking like a modern nation today https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vcGj0SMVLrI

To add to that, the whole idea of state capitalism is a bit of a misnomer. It basically says that while you have state owned enterprise, the internal capitalist relations within it remain largely the same. While that’s true, there is a fundamental difference here. Capitalism is a system where people who own capital hire workers to exploit there labor with the purpose of increasing their capital. The goal of capitalist enterprise is to create wealth for the owners with any social benefits being strictly incidental. On the other hand, the purpose of state enterprise is to provide social value. Workers in state owned companies are producing things that the society needs. They are working for their own benefit and those of others around them. Therefore, the nature of work itself is fundamentally different from actual capitalism.

I imagine it’s like when a dog looks you in the eye for emotional support while taking a shit.

Right, the real issue is that there needs to be a layer between the app and the LLM which handles authorization and decides whether the data is confidential before it’s ever sent to a remote server. It’s not even an LLM issue, it’s just bad architecture in general.

Pretty cool story, but it was USSR that did pretty much all the slapping in WW2. The US was a minor player at best.

Exactly, and that’s just one example of massive waste. Another one is the fact that around half the food produced is just thrown away because it’s just more ‘efficient’ to do that. Capitalism is an absolutely insane system.

For sure that’s a better analysis of the whole thing. Although, I do think it is worth noting how much energy is devoted to stuff like advertising, which is ultimately not productive use of energy. And if that wasn’t done in the first place, there would be more energy to go around avoiding the problem of not having enough of it at peak ours.

It’s comforting to know that anyone who opposes actually existing socialism is indeed a fascist.

every thread about DPRK will have at least one fash in it

What the article is saying is that people were using Outlook on their company computers, and Outlook exposed the data to Copilot by sending it outside the company.

People tend to have a tendency to assume that their values, needs, and desires are universal. But in reality they’re a product of their material conditions. People internalize the values of their society as they grow up, and that shapes their world view and their desires. People growing up in DRPK would necessarily have different world view from people growing up in a western society as a result. For somebody who’s lived their whole life in the west, DPRK would likely not be a pleasant place to live. But that says absolutely nothing about people who come from that society.

there’s just no other logical explanation

it’s almost certainly the latter

ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for a blueberry salad

It’s amazing how you think that your trolling is so original that I have to come up with a fresh response to it from scratch

I did read it. Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension of yours. Might even learn what the difference between communism and fascism is. 🤣

The term authoritarianism is utterly meaningless because all governments rely on coercion to maintain their authority. The state is fundamentally an instrument that’s used by the ruling class to maintain its dominance. The whole notion that political systems can be neatly categorized into authoritarian or democratic binaries is deeply infantile.

The reality is that every government derives its authority from its monopoly on legal violence. The ability to enforce laws, suppress dissent, and maintain order is derived from control over police, military, and judicial systems. Whether a government is labelled authoritarian or democratic, the fundamental basis of its power lies here. Therefore, the only meaningful questions to ask are which class interests it represents, and to what extent can it be held accountable to them.

What ultimately matters is which class controls the institutions of state violence. In capitalist democracies, the government represent the interests of the economic elites who fund political campaigns, own media outlets, and control key industries. Western public lacks the mechanisms necessary to hold the government to account, and the ruling class is disconnected from the broader population. That’s precisely what’s driving political discontent all across western sphere today. Meanwhile, in so-called authoritarian regimes, the ruling party serves the working class as seen in countries like China, Cuba, or Vietnam. Hence why there is widespread public trust in these government and they enjoy broad support from the masses.

The fact that you have political understanding of a small child really explains a lot about this whole discussion.

People earning enough money to be able to buy housing for their children isn’t the own you think it is. Certainly doesn’t happen in capitalist fash regimes like the one you live in. 🤣

How to say you’re an ignoramus without saying it. China is a socialist state led by a communist party. Socialism is the transitional stage when the working class holds power, but the established relations have not yet abolished. Anybody with even a minimally functioning brain would understand that you can’t just flip a switch and go from one type of system to another, that there would necessarily be some sort of a transition period.

define what you think fascism actually is, I’ll wait