It’s going to be interesting to watch because the usual rationale that China is spying on you doesn’t work for open models people can run locally. And we now see that even in the US, majority of the startups are using Chinese models already. So, there 's a lot of capital invested into continuing to have access to these models. On the other hand, we have these massive AI corps in the US whose entire business model is threatened, and who will spend colossal amounts of money lobbying to ban the competition.

It’s really getting there, it’s the first local model that really does feel like frontier quality.

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It’s honestly shocking how good Qwen 3.6:27b is, it actually outperforms Qwen 3.5:397b which itself was released only in February. I’m convinced that local models are the future. In a year or two, we’ll probably get to the point where local models are as good as Claude is today, and at that point it kind of doesn’t even really matter if frontier keeps getting better. It’s going to be good enough for vast majority of use cases. On top of that, you can already do a lot with tooling to make the model perform better. This paper is a great example. And I think this is very much an underexplored area. Current agentic harnesses are very primitive in nature, they just give the model some tools to play with, but do little in a way of guidance. ATLAS is a really interesting project in that’s attempting to make a smarter harness, and their results are pretty impressive. If you’re already running Qwen locally, I recommend checking it out.

if somebody already has access to your machine, but doesn’t have root privileges

I mean, literally the first link in my reply is saying that household savings in China are at record high levels. 🤷

When the cost of hosing, the basic necessity for living, drops that is in fact a very good thing. And the record high savings number clearly demonstrates that housing is not a primary investment vehicle for majority of the population. As Xi put it, hosing is for living. This was an intentional policy choice and a correct one.

If you think that Chinese society has been financialized then you’re utterly clueless on the subject and have no business discussing it.

Chinese household savings hit a record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

Student debt in China is virtually non-existent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/

It’s pretty clear that there is very little negative impact from housing prices falling on the vast majority of the population. And it’s great news for young people who are moving from countryside to the cities and can now afford cheap housing.

The key reason why 2008 was a clusterfuck was because Obama decided to bail out the bankers and fuck the working class in the process.

It’s a lot cheaper to use hosted models and it’s open source so you can run them in house and customize them any way you like. And in terms of quality, there’s no significant difference. So, everybody is naturally using cheap and open models.

I don’t see any reason why their asset bubble will be crippling. The reason it’s crippling in capitalist economies of the west is cause the government is expected to bail out the investors. In China, they just let these companies fail and then nationalize their assets if needed. If you look at the whole real estate bubble, there was never any crash there precisely because it was a handful of rich investors who ended up eating the loss instead of it being socialized.

and closed source

I’m not deflecting anything here. I’m pointing out the obvious double standard in how Canada approaches Russian invasion of Ukraine and Israel invasion of Lebanon along with the destruction of Gaza or US attack on Iran.

Now lets go back to the part where you were defending children being kidnapped… seriously wtf is wrong with you?

Evidently you lack the intellect to understand sarcasm. I was making contrast between a literal genocide where Israel murders children by the thousand and Canada puts no sanctions on Israel, and Russia moving children out of the war zone which we are prosecuting with sanctions. Let me know if this is still unclear to you and you need me to use smaller words to accommodate for your evident cognitive deficiencies.

Wow… just… wow… weird how trolls like you don’t apply this logic to Israel or the US. Why does Canada sanction neither of them?

Seriously, do you believe your own bs? Who do you think you are fooling?

Try to put at least a bit of effort into your trolling not to make it so transparent. This is embarrassing af.

when you definitely understand what quoting means

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Hey scrotty, how come is it that in every article about China you sealion in to talk about worker abuse, yet I’ve never once seen you post anything about worker abuse in Canada?

Could it be that you don’t actually give a fuck about worker abuse and you’re just a racist sack of human garbage who hates Chinese people?

• UN expert sounds alarm over ‘contemporary forms of slavery’ in Canada https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1140437
• Systemic racial discrimination via discriminatory funding causing “Millennium Scoop” class action certified; long-term reform negotiations ongoing. https://decisions.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/chrt-tcdp/decisions/en/item/521231/index.do?iframe=true
• Crisis fueled by human trafficking linked to resource extraction “man camps”; systemic inaction continues. https://afn.ca/all-news/press-releases/assembly-of-first-nations-afn-releases-2025-progress-report-on-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-and-girls-mmiwg-calls-for-justice-highlighting-human-trafficking-crisis/#to-top
• Failure to legislate a human right to safe water and diversion of settlement funds from critical services. https://siksikanation.com/carney-government-reaches-new-low-on-first-nation-safe-drinking-water/
• Slavery charges against Canadian mining company settled on the sly https://theconversation.com/slavery-charges-against-canadian-mining-company-settled-on-the-sly-148605

looking forward to finally having cheap ram and chips

I can explain them to you, but I can’t understand them for you.

Most of it is not all of it, and the fact that there is an actual fork needed shows just how problematic the project is.

So, Israel attacking countries around it since its inception somehow makes it better? That’s just further condemnation of Canada’s position that we have looked the other way this whole time. Israel was literally established on existing Palestinian territory and people living there were driven off. It was a colonial project from its very inception.

Why would we imagine Ukraine invading Russia first here? But yes, the west would absolutely stand behind Ukraine if it started the war, the same way the west stands behind Israel right now.

Your chatgpt response added absolutely nothing to the discussion and I’ve already addressed all the ‘points’ you keep attempting to make. You really would’ve been better off just moving on instead of continuing doubling down.