• Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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    It’s a bit weird to compare the USSR to the west at a time when the west literally imprisoned and/or sterilized gay people.

    As far as the LGBT+ struggle in China goes, conditions simply aren’t the sort that create radicals; you don’t get stonewall and eventually LGBT+ protections if cops aren’t actively harassing LGBT+ people. Oppression takes different vectors and they have a different path forward.

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      If the USSR was only as good as the West today, it’s not worth simping over.

      If socialism takes redfash cops harassing LGBT+ people before they take revolutionary action against the state, it’s not worth simping over.

      Abolish the state outright and embrace Anarchy.

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        The USSR and China each brought hundreds of millions from barely subsisting to lifestyles comparable to the west within a single lifetime and made great progress on LGBT+ rights. Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US despite the blockade and constant attempts at destabilization.

        You shouldn’t compare the USSR to a fantasy utopia, you should compare it to the actual alternatives we’ve seen in reality, Tsarist and modern Russia.

        Anarchist projects have yet to manage step 0: Resist capitalist encirclement for more than like 5 minutes so we don’t have any actually existing examples to study.

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          Let’s compare the USSR to itself, an authoritarian shithole that sent gay men to do hard labour.

          The Zapatista have been going strong for 30 years.

          Revolutionary Ukraine fell to Communist backstabbing.

          Historically the biggest threat to anarchist revolution hasn’t been capitalism, it’s been red fash communists.

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            5 天前

            Zapatista

            The Zapatistas themselves say they’re neither anarchism or communism, but their own thing.

            Historically the biggest threat to anarchist revolution hasn’t been capitalism

            Weird how you’ve been convinced the guys you literally need a revolution to displace is worth less of your energy than calling other people trying to do the same thing red fash.

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              Being your own thing and living by mutual consent is anarchist. Labels are ultimately irrelevant, actions matter.

              We need a revolution to displace any authority. Authority will never wither away on its own.

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                any authority

                P sure you mean unjust hierarchies, your mom telling you to go to bed and the anarchist copelected community representative or whatever telling you you’re not allowed to feed the bears in your backyard are examples of authority.

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                  No, I mean any authority.

                  “Unjust Hierarchies” is Chomsky libshit take on anarchism.

                  We want horizontal organisation, not top-down authority. Don’t just tell me not to feed the bears, work with me, talk with me, educate me on why not to feed the bears.

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                    So like when your neighbor in Anarchistan keeps feeding the bears, causing them to overrun the town, is the rest of the town just supposed to tolerate it? How is society supposed to work without any kind of authority?