This was pushed hard when it happened but I’ve never seen anything actually pointing to him being MAGA. He was raised in a right wing household but also dated someone trans and killed a right wing spokesman.
His social media got nuked right away so not much on that side. It was probably a mixed bag which is maybe more dangerous to have in the news in terms of inciting copycats. Easier if both sides blame it on the other, wouldn’t want anyone to see himself in him.
That being said, I don’t think his allegiance matters as much as the fact that Charlie deserved it. If you are punching Nazis, you are a good guy in my book.
I don’t think that ended aligning with the facts. In all respects he would be “swing voter” in the midwest ; he was largely apolitical and killed kirk because kirk spread hate about people he cared about.
Which is 100% true of charlie kirk no matter who you are. Kirk was anti women, anti trans, deeply racist, and deeply annoying. There is nobody who doesn’t have one of his hated groups in their family and who doesn’t have some reason to be annoyed by him.
MAGA just doesn’t think like that. They think putting women in their proper place isn’t anti women its pro women because if they have traditional values imposed upon them then they will have a more happy fulfilled life. For those with minority associates or family members that they don’t silently hate they rationalize that they are among the “good ones” Ask them if they hate black people and wait for them to tell you that they don’t they hate n words which are somehow different than black people. Their compartmentalization is perfect. They see no tension with believing black people in general are bad but the ones THEY know to be good are good.
I saw a lot of articles saying that but I didn’t see any that had anything concrete. The whole thing seemed fishy at the time and even more so now with his trial essentially buried.
He killed charlie kirk because charlie didn’t hate in the right way. So if you think the trash that killed the trash is a good guy then you are not a good guy.
This isn’t reddit. If you want your hand held go there. I don’t remember what hate group he was with. I just remember the only thing they disagreed on was israel. Not all the other hate just that one shithole country. Like other unimportant things about right wing haters the only thing that is important is they are trash.
I don’t have time to retrace it all. I know the right are saying he is left leaning but when it all came out his family were known members of some fringe ultra right wing hate group. Nothing I’ve seen since this has suggested its any different. You might start by looking at articles from around the the time it happened. Anything you see later than a few weeks after it happened is being produced for the bias of whoever is writing it. They can’t charge him federally and its really got trump and them mad.
It seems like we are at a stale mate since I’m saying their isn’t any proper proof and you’re saying you don’t have time to find it.
I don’t give much credence to what his family’s beliefs were, he had moved out by then and it’s very possible his views had changed from theirs.
I don’t know about trump specifically, but I do know the right doesn’t like him, mostly because they think he was a leftist. It’s weird that both sides claim he belongs to the other and neither has anything but conjecture about it.
This was pushed hard when it happened but I’ve never seen anything actually pointing to him being MAGA. He was raised in a right wing household but also dated someone trans and killed a right wing spokesman.
His social media got nuked right away so not much on that side. It was probably a mixed bag which is maybe more dangerous to have in the news in terms of inciting copycats. Easier if both sides blame it on the other, wouldn’t want anyone to see himself in him.
That being said, I don’t think his allegiance matters as much as the fact that Charlie deserved it. If you are punching Nazis, you are a good guy in my book.
He was part of a group that thought maga was too soft. Any left in there was a buffer overrun.
I don’t think that ended aligning with the facts. In all respects he would be “swing voter” in the midwest ; he was largely apolitical and killed kirk because kirk spread hate about people he cared about.
Which is 100% true of charlie kirk no matter who you are. Kirk was anti women, anti trans, deeply racist, and deeply annoying. There is nobody who doesn’t have one of his hated groups in their family and who doesn’t have some reason to be annoyed by him.
MAGA just doesn’t think like that. They think putting women in their proper place isn’t anti women its pro women because if they have traditional values imposed upon them then they will have a more happy fulfilled life. For those with minority associates or family members that they don’t silently hate they rationalize that they are among the “good ones” Ask them if they hate black people and wait for them to tell you that they don’t they hate n words which are somehow different than black people. Their compartmentalization is perfect. They see no tension with believing black people in general are bad but the ones THEY know to be good are good.
If you mean the groypers, was that ever proven? It was an early accusation but I don’t remember seeing proof, other than groypers hate Kirk.
I saw a lot of articles saying that but I didn’t see any that had anything concrete. The whole thing seemed fishy at the time and even more so now with his trial essentially buried.
He killed charlie kirk because charlie didn’t hate in the right way. So if you think the trash that killed the trash is a good guy then you are not a good guy.
I’m asking for a source, not what you heard. That’s the point.
This isn’t reddit. If you want your hand held go there. I don’t remember what hate group he was with. I just remember the only thing they disagreed on was israel. Not all the other hate just that one shithole country. Like other unimportant things about right wing haters the only thing that is important is they are trash.
I don’t think anyone from Reddit ever held my hand. Jerking me off though, that’s a different thing.
My whole point is that I can’t find sources. I can’t find any actually reasoning behind it. I already looked.
I don’t have time to retrace it all. I know the right are saying he is left leaning but when it all came out his family were known members of some fringe ultra right wing hate group. Nothing I’ve seen since this has suggested its any different. You might start by looking at articles from around the the time it happened. Anything you see later than a few weeks after it happened is being produced for the bias of whoever is writing it. They can’t charge him federally and its really got trump and them mad.
If you don’t have time to “retrace it all” it’s much better to say nothing instead of spreading misinformation.
If you don’t have time to make a real comment then perhaps don’t comment at all.
I remember what I read. If you don’t like that I recalled it and commented on it on lemmy shitpost you should just ignore me and not comment. heh.
It seems like we are at a stale mate since I’m saying their isn’t any proper proof and you’re saying you don’t have time to find it.
I don’t give much credence to what his family’s beliefs were, he had moved out by then and it’s very possible his views had changed from theirs.
I don’t know about trump specifically, but I do know the right doesn’t like him, mostly because they think he was a leftist. It’s weird that both sides claim he belongs to the other and neither has anything but conjecture about it.
Raised as a Mormon in a red state and people want to say he was not conservative. People are really stupid I guess.
They’re whole subs dedicated to people that have left Mormonism. The views ones parents hold aren’t strictly inescapable.
What’s the church of latter day Saints view on dating transfolk? I’d attribute more importance to who he was dating then what his dad thought, no?