it’s a bit surprising to see so many involved with the projects wonder why their take on the concept of Star Trek isn’t as well accepted as they want.
This has been ongoing since The Next Generation. Every show gets slapped with criticism from people who were fans of the original stuff and don’t dig the vibe of the newer shows. Every single one has been hit by it. Equally, every show ends up being enjoyed later on. It’s been bizarre for me watching people hate on the Kelvin timeline for so long and yet now most people have some sense of nostalgia for it. Either the people who were angry about it changed their minds or they got drowned out by the fans of it. Hell, Enterprise is pretty beloved now with only the theme song getting criticism yet until Discovery was released it was considered the worst Star Trek ever made.
The problem is when people think that the opinions they see in an echo chamber are the only opinions or the vast majority. Star Trek: Discovery existed in a state of perpetual cancellation from Season 1 until Season 5 if you believed a lot of people on reddit or YouTube. It wasn’t.
They are well accepted. Just not in echo chambers. And when you have users who want to talk positively about the new show seeing other users constantly talk negative about it, you’re not as likely to jump in when you’re afraid people are going to dogpile on you and yell. But they vastly outnumber the amount of negative people by far.
Edit: As for Pike and Religion… Gene was not as straight forward as people make it out to be. A good chunk of TOS episodes were about religion and implied a monotheistic culture. Also REALLY feel like people misunderstood the Pike religion thing. He’s not really religious. The only time he dips into that is for his father, as a way of feeling closer to him. To do something his dad would have enjoyed and a way to feel closer to his father after he passed away. That feeling of loss and longing has been demonstrated a couple of times, especially with him wanting to go off on a trip alone on his birthday to feel closer to his father. He is not deeply religious himself.
Ngl the critical reception doesn’t really matter to me, though I bet it’s a key performance indicator to the network, same with the viewership numbers.
I think it’s good we’re getting more Star Trek, almost as a rule, but I just wish I enjoyed watching the properties that came out more. SFA, Disco and Picard didn’t click. Lower Decks was phenomenal and SNW feels closer to the mark but still feels off.
It’s cool that they wanna take in spec scripts from other writers, though, maybe that’ll bring back some of the feeling of the old shows.
And plenty of people do enjoy watching those. Discovery means an enormous amount to me due to the representation that was in that that hasn’t been anywhere before. Same with SFA representing teens. I don’t necessarily relate with the SFA one but I’m just appreciative that they’re making something for other people too. We’ve had our Trek for a long time. It’s time for the next generation. Star Trek has NEVER been stagnant. Star Trek has NEVER been always the same. They’re all radically different but we look back on them with nostalgia. The only thing that they shared was a syndicated format of television but TV has evolved. You’ll never be able to go back home.
Star Trek: Discovery was in the top ten streaming charts for 3 weeks in a row
Only 3 weeks? I watched the whole first season, and some of the second. The first three weeks weren’t bad. A little rough, but as you mention so was the start of TNG. Some of us fans of the old stuff find it hard to stop giving Kurtzman Trek more chances, just because it’s got the Star Trek name. I even watched the entire Section 31 movie and a couple episodes of Starfleet Academy. That’s what it took to convince me it’s really over.
I had a similar experience with Disco. Watched the first season, nearly dropped it at the end, but the twist was big enough to catch my interest, quit part way into season 2.
I love that it has so many more explicitly queer people but the departure in show structure and form really clanged with me. Ugh and the Klingon pseudo sexual surgery stuff was so off-putting. I think it was Saru
DISCO S02E04 spoiler
actually being a predator species
that finally bucked me off.
I didn’t bother with Section 31, but dang I wish we got a show with Captain Georgiou instead of the evil house pet emperor character…
SFA might get better in time, but the first episode didn’t really grab me and had me asking so many questions I didn’t wanna look further into it. Plus now with Paramount being owned by right-wing monsters, I don’t think I’ll be giving them any money.
Considering that’s from Paramount+ viewing figures, and Paramount+ having less subscribers than other streaming services… Kind of a big deal. Same with Starfleet Academy being in the top 10 charts in every other one.
That’s what it took to convince me it’s really over.
Same nonsense that people said about Deep Space 9 and Voyager upon release.
I’d say Enterprise was the only one that inspired a level of dislike that was anything like comparable. But it was no Section 31. Nothing in Star Trek history has been so shockingly bad as that movie, and it’s not like they didn’t make a couple of bad movies before. It’s more akin to the Star Wars Holiday Special, except that instead of feeling any shame they chose to make a whole new series in the same directorial style. Eh well, who knows what the future may bring.
This has been ongoing since The Next Generation. Every show gets slapped with criticism from people who were fans of the original stuff and don’t dig the vibe of the newer shows. Every single one has been hit by it. Equally, every show ends up being enjoyed later on. It’s been bizarre for me watching people hate on the Kelvin timeline for so long and yet now most people have some sense of nostalgia for it. Either the people who were angry about it changed their minds or they got drowned out by the fans of it. Hell, Enterprise is pretty beloved now with only the theme song getting criticism yet until Discovery was released it was considered the worst Star Trek ever made.
The problem is when people think that the opinions they see in an echo chamber are the only opinions or the vast majority. Star Trek: Discovery existed in a state of perpetual cancellation from Season 1 until Season 5 if you believed a lot of people on reddit or YouTube. It wasn’t.
For example. Did you know that the majority of Critics favorably reacted to Starfleet Academy? Did you know that Star Trek: Discovery was in the top ten streaming charts for 3 weeks in a row despite having a smaller userbase on Paramount+? Did you know that Starfleet Academy is all across the top ten list in most countries other than the US?
They are well accepted. Just not in echo chambers. And when you have users who want to talk positively about the new show seeing other users constantly talk negative about it, you’re not as likely to jump in when you’re afraid people are going to dogpile on you and yell. But they vastly outnumber the amount of negative people by far.
Edit: As for Pike and Religion… Gene was not as straight forward as people make it out to be. A good chunk of TOS episodes were about religion and implied a monotheistic culture. Also REALLY feel like people misunderstood the Pike religion thing. He’s not really religious. The only time he dips into that is for his father, as a way of feeling closer to him. To do something his dad would have enjoyed and a way to feel closer to his father after he passed away. That feeling of loss and longing has been demonstrated a couple of times, especially with him wanting to go off on a trip alone on his birthday to feel closer to his father. He is not deeply religious himself.
Ngl the critical reception doesn’t really matter to me, though I bet it’s a key performance indicator to the network, same with the viewership numbers.
I think it’s good we’re getting more Star Trek, almost as a rule, but I just wish I enjoyed watching the properties that came out more. SFA, Disco and Picard didn’t click. Lower Decks was phenomenal and SNW feels closer to the mark but still feels off.
It’s cool that they wanna take in spec scripts from other writers, though, maybe that’ll bring back some of the feeling of the old shows.
And plenty of people do enjoy watching those. Discovery means an enormous amount to me due to the representation that was in that that hasn’t been anywhere before. Same with SFA representing teens. I don’t necessarily relate with the SFA one but I’m just appreciative that they’re making something for other people too. We’ve had our Trek for a long time. It’s time for the next generation. Star Trek has NEVER been stagnant. Star Trek has NEVER been always the same. They’re all radically different but we look back on them with nostalgia. The only thing that they shared was a syndicated format of television but TV has evolved. You’ll never be able to go back home.
Only 3 weeks? I watched the whole first season, and some of the second. The first three weeks weren’t bad. A little rough, but as you mention so was the start of TNG. Some of us fans of the old stuff find it hard to stop giving Kurtzman Trek more chances, just because it’s got the Star Trek name. I even watched the entire Section 31 movie and a couple episodes of Starfleet Academy. That’s what it took to convince me it’s really over.
I had a similar experience with Disco. Watched the first season, nearly dropped it at the end, but the twist was big enough to catch my interest, quit part way into season 2.
I love that it has so many more explicitly queer people but the departure in show structure and form really clanged with me. Ugh and the Klingon pseudo sexual surgery stuff was so off-putting. I think it was Saru
DISCO S02E04 spoiler
actually being a predator species
that finally bucked me off.
I didn’t bother with Section 31, but dang I wish we got a show with Captain Georgiou instead of the evil house pet emperor character…
SFA might get better in time, but the first episode didn’t really grab me and had me asking so many questions I didn’t wanna look further into it. Plus now with Paramount being owned by right-wing monsters, I don’t think I’ll be giving them any money.
Considering that’s from Paramount+ viewing figures, and Paramount+ having less subscribers than other streaming services… Kind of a big deal. Same with Starfleet Academy being in the top 10 charts in every other one.
Same nonsense that people said about Deep Space 9 and Voyager upon release.
I’d say Enterprise was the only one that inspired a level of dislike that was anything like comparable. But it was no Section 31. Nothing in Star Trek history has been so shockingly bad as that movie, and it’s not like they didn’t make a couple of bad movies before. It’s more akin to the Star Wars Holiday Special, except that instead of feeling any shame they chose to make a whole new series in the same directorial style. Eh well, who knows what the future may bring.