Yep, and yet almost anyone who has spent any time on Lemmy knows what I’m referring to (whether they recognize it and do so as a problem is another matter)
I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what’s going on in the “Lemmy meta.” Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here.
I know what you’re referring to, and I agree it’s likely off-putting to many, but not agreeing with the developer’s politics is on an entirely different level compared to suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors.
Again though, that’s a social problem, one that can even be eliminated through defederation. It’s not an ‘abandon all ships’ type of problem.
To be clear I am fully acknowledging that that situation isn’t good. I am very specifically pointing out that a state actor controlling and developing the platform is a much bigger problem, they are not comparable.
Depends on who you ask. It’s managing risks for me either way.
Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable.
This is like another version of the age-old “Grammar Nazi” disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn’t provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext).
You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn’t really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I’ll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me.
It seems like an option, but gonna say, having seen some of their biggest contributors try to push people into switching communities over to those moderated by community hoarders also heavily into anarcho-marxism politics - not really getting rid of the problem, are we.
I understand the concern, and I find it fishy that the matrix team didn’t try to address that (maybe they did but I just didn’t come across that)
but on the other hand many governments and ministries like the French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private use. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into
Uh what the fuck how about any connection to mossad should be a death sentence for a software project
So should some of Lemmy’s, and yet here we are.
There is no known state or corporate connection to Lemmy or Piefed, unlike Matrix.
Yep, and yet almost anyone who has spent any time on Lemmy knows what I’m referring to (whether they recognize it and do so as a problem is another matter)
I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what’s going on in the “Lemmy meta.” Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here.
I know what you’re referring to, and I agree it’s likely off-putting to many, but not agreeing with the developer’s politics is on an entirely different level compared to suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors.
It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives.
Again though, that’s a social problem, one that can even be eliminated through defederation. It’s not an ‘abandon all ships’ type of problem.
To be clear I am fully acknowledging that that situation isn’t good. I am very specifically pointing out that a state actor controlling and developing the platform is a much bigger problem, they are not comparable.
Depends on who you ask. It’s managing risks for me either way.
Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable.
This is like another version of the age-old “Grammar Nazi” disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn’t provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext).
You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn’t really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I’ll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me.
Tbf, there were no alternatives at the time when most people moved here. Now there is one with Piefed, I really should move my server.
It seems like an option, but gonna say, having seen some of their biggest contributors try to push people into switching communities over to those moderated by community hoarders also heavily into anarcho-marxism politics - not really getting rid of the problem, are we.
I understand the concern, and I find it fishy that the matrix team didn’t try to address that (maybe they did but I just didn’t come across that)
but on the other hand many governments and ministries like the French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private use. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into
I wouldn’t put any stock into that as a metric of if it’s safe or not, since France was happy to buy a contract for Pegasus, another Israeli surveillance software adopted widely by EU governments such as France, Germany, and Spain.
EU governments were also happy to adopt Microsoft products despite the security implications, and even way back in the 80’s used Promis, which had a known US/Israeli backdoor in it (there’s a really great documentary about Promis on netflix, surprisingly, though I’d recommend sailing to watch it, yarr).