Your own source said he murdered a ton of people. That’s a bad person, regardless of the economic system the country they lead used. Why is that such a hard thing to grasp?
If you want to promote communism, don’t use a goddamn mass murderer to market it.
Killing bad people doesn’t undo killing good people. This isn’t the argument you think it is.
Hitler killed Hitler, didn’t undo all the bad he did. And wasn’t he a capitalist? Stalin wasn’t a good person just because Hitler stabbed his own ally in the back, and the ussr started killing their former allies . Or are we pretending Stalin hadn’t allied with the nazis in the beginning of the war, here?
Reclaimed is a weird way to say : took land that hadn’t been theirs away from the people living there.
Reclaimed is precise. Poland seized Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, and Vilnius in 1921 while those nations were fighting for survival. The people there weren’t Polish, they were Ukrainian, Belarusian, Lithuanian. The Soviet Union didn’t “take from people living there”; it ended Polish occupation and reunited those populations with their Soviet republics.
“After the Polish government fell” is a weird way to say, they invaded and helped destroy the government.
No, you’re confused. The Polish state collapsed under the German blitz. The government fled to Romania on September 17 then the USSR crossed the border. The Red Army moved into a power vacuum to secure the border and protect Ukrainian/Belarusian civilians from the advancing Wehrmacht. They didn’t “help destroy” a government that had already abandoned its people.
Another Whatabout? No one here praised the UK.
The UK is literally in the image you’re replying to and asking about. Are you illiterate? Idiot. But what’s to be expected of someone who thinks Hitler was elected.
Look man, I’m gonna tell you something you’re probably gonna write off as Bad Guy Villain dialogue or an attempt to “brainwash” you:
Good People and Bad People don’t exist in real life. They exist in movies and comic books written by people who grew up in societies less than a century out of the domination of various religions. These are magical, religious ideas about the nature of reality you’ve unquestionably accepted because that’s what was in the entertainment you grew up on, same as the rest of us. But it’s not real life. In real life, there’s just People.
People are animals who seek comfort and propserity by making decisions within a predetermined range of possibilities, and that’s it. No angels, no demons, no omnipoten god watching in judgement. The terms these religions use have no scientific wight or meaning, and Marxism is scientific. We are concerned with what can be observed and measured. Good and Evil don’t mean shit when you’re talking about observable reality, any more than Karma or Sin or any of the other mystical ways in which people have tried to make sense of the world in the past. Your way of analyzing reality and human beings is fundamentally mystical, hypocritical and disconnected from reality.
There is no person on earth who couldn’t be classified as a “bad person”. It’s less than meaningless: it actually impairs understanding and paralyzes decision making, because there is no “Good” choice. All the hallowed saints of liberal civic religion were “Bad” people. MLK cheated on his wife. Ghandi was a fucking creep to his niece. Lincoln committed indigenous genocide. But they are venerated anyway because they were either effective at advancing the interests of those who are now powerful enough to culturally mandate their veneration, or were coopted by the powers they opposed in order to make harmless sanitized icons of their messy human existence. That’s it. That’s the entire calculus behind who you hold in esteem and who you hold in contempt. You like who you were told to like, and you hate who you were told to hate, without ever really considering why. If you were born in Soviet Russia, you would have the exact opposite opinion, as millions of Russians did and still do. The difference would be that approval of Stalin is much, much easier to make an evidence-based case for than mystical condemnation is.
It’s like how liberals think that communist theory has some magical eldritch power that will instantly turn you into a communist if you read and understand it. It doesn’t. It just presents a well-reasoned case, grounded in observable reality, for the abolition of the world-drstroying system of omni-exploitation we all suffer under. It starts with facts and works it’s way towards a conclusion, rather than starting from a conclusion and working it’s way backwards with carefully curated facts. And to a liberal, that might as well be magic. That’s why you have all these cute little phrases like whataboutism that in practice simply mean “I refuse to consider what you are saying for longer than it takes to dismiss it out of hand with a gesture at some social rule built just for this purpose.”
Your entire worldview has been constructed by bourgeois high priests not for the function of understanding the world, but crippling your ability to understand anything. It’s a hermetically sealed library of pre-existing, neatly labeled boxes for messy realities to be roughly shoved into and examined no further. This is Idealism: the belief that there are eternal, ironclad categories that reality comports itself to. This is wrong: reality comports itself however it wants, and we invent the categories after the fact. The categories of Good and Bad people are as invented as the categories of Good and Bad music. People and music simply are, formed and determined by their relationship with the world around them. It is reality that determines itself, not our post-hoc ideas about it, and certainly not ideas from the medieval era.
Your own source said he murdered a ton of people. That’s a bad person, regardless of the economic system the country they lead used. Why is that such a hard thing to grasp?
If you want to promote communism, don’t use a goddamn mass murderer to market it.
I didn’t provide any sources.
Killing bad people doesn’t undo killing good people. This isn’t the argument you think it is.
Hitler killed Hitler, didn’t undo all the bad he did. And wasn’t he a capitalist? Stalin wasn’t a good person just because Hitler stabbed his own ally in the back, and the ussr started killing their former allies . Or are we pretending Stalin hadn’t allied with the nazis in the beginning of the war, here?
Quick question, what’s this?
Which of those other countries co-invaded a neighbor with the Nazis? Did you think that was some kind of gotcha?
Poland
Co-invaded is a strange way to say reclaimed Ukrainian and Lithuanian land after the Polish government fell.
Also Poland and the UK are almost entirely to blame for the fall of Czechoslovakia.
Reclaimed is a weird way to say : took land that hadn’t been theirs away from the people living there.
“After the Polish government fell” is a weird way to say, they invaded and helped destroy the government.
Another Whatabout? No one here praised the UK.
Reclaimed is precise. Poland seized Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, and Vilnius in 1921 while those nations were fighting for survival. The people there weren’t Polish, they were Ukrainian, Belarusian, Lithuanian. The Soviet Union didn’t “take from people living there”; it ended Polish occupation and reunited those populations with their Soviet republics.
No, you’re confused. The Polish state collapsed under the German blitz. The government fled to Romania on September 17 then the USSR crossed the border. The Red Army moved into a power vacuum to secure the border and protect Ukrainian/Belarusian civilians from the advancing Wehrmacht. They didn’t “help destroy” a government that had already abandoned its people.
The UK is literally in the image you’re replying to and asking about. Are you illiterate? Idiot. But what’s to be expected of someone who thinks Hitler was elected.
Lol. You literally asked a question and then accuse the answer of being “whatabout”. You absolute idiot
Lol. Maybe you should learn basic facts before spouting off.
No, it’s a normal way of saying the opposite
Poland. Rumania
The UK and France helped destroy Czechoslovakia. And did the farce that was nonintervention.
Westerners truly are the most propagandized people on the planet
Look man, I’m gonna tell you something you’re probably gonna write off as Bad Guy Villain dialogue or an attempt to “brainwash” you:
Good People and Bad People don’t exist in real life. They exist in movies and comic books written by people who grew up in societies less than a century out of the domination of various religions. These are magical, religious ideas about the nature of reality you’ve unquestionably accepted because that’s what was in the entertainment you grew up on, same as the rest of us. But it’s not real life. In real life, there’s just People.
People are animals who seek comfort and propserity by making decisions within a predetermined range of possibilities, and that’s it. No angels, no demons, no omnipoten god watching in judgement. The terms these religions use have no scientific wight or meaning, and Marxism is scientific. We are concerned with what can be observed and measured. Good and Evil don’t mean shit when you’re talking about observable reality, any more than Karma or Sin or any of the other mystical ways in which people have tried to make sense of the world in the past. Your way of analyzing reality and human beings is fundamentally mystical, hypocritical and disconnected from reality.
There is no person on earth who couldn’t be classified as a “bad person”. It’s less than meaningless: it actually impairs understanding and paralyzes decision making, because there is no “Good” choice. All the hallowed saints of liberal civic religion were “Bad” people. MLK cheated on his wife. Ghandi was a fucking creep to his niece. Lincoln committed indigenous genocide. But they are venerated anyway because they were either effective at advancing the interests of those who are now powerful enough to culturally mandate their veneration, or were coopted by the powers they opposed in order to make harmless sanitized icons of their messy human existence. That’s it. That’s the entire calculus behind who you hold in esteem and who you hold in contempt. You like who you were told to like, and you hate who you were told to hate, without ever really considering why. If you were born in Soviet Russia, you would have the exact opposite opinion, as millions of Russians did and still do. The difference would be that approval of Stalin is much, much easier to make an evidence-based case for than mystical condemnation is.
It’s like how liberals think that communist theory has some magical eldritch power that will instantly turn you into a communist if you read and understand it. It doesn’t. It just presents a well-reasoned case, grounded in observable reality, for the abolition of the world-drstroying system of omni-exploitation we all suffer under. It starts with facts and works it’s way towards a conclusion, rather than starting from a conclusion and working it’s way backwards with carefully curated facts. And to a liberal, that might as well be magic. That’s why you have all these cute little phrases like whataboutism that in practice simply mean “I refuse to consider what you are saying for longer than it takes to dismiss it out of hand with a gesture at some social rule built just for this purpose.”
Your entire worldview has been constructed by bourgeois high priests not for the function of understanding the world, but crippling your ability to understand anything. It’s a hermetically sealed library of pre-existing, neatly labeled boxes for messy realities to be roughly shoved into and examined no further. This is Idealism: the belief that there are eternal, ironclad categories that reality comports itself to. This is wrong: reality comports itself however it wants, and we invent the categories after the fact. The categories of Good and Bad people are as invented as the categories of Good and Bad music. People and music simply are, formed and determined by their relationship with the world around them. It is reality that determines itself, not our post-hoc ideas about it, and certainly not ideas from the medieval era.
Uh, nah. Real life has plenty of awful people-many are way more worthy of that descriptor than others. What a bizarre worldview you have.
Hell yeah my 12 year old buddy
Damn, you got so destroyed that was the only response you could manage?