more like crapitalism amirite ladies

We often do. There are 17 pages of hits in the search results: https://lemmy.ml/search?q=gramsci
It pops on on lemmy.ml alone dozens of times: https://lemmy.ml/search?listingType=Local&q=gramsci

(for example, see nomenklatura)

We have nomencultura at home, in the Professional Managerial Class: the college educated labor aristocracy that serves the capitalist class.

This is the result of a century of communist/socialist purges and of cold war propaganda in the US. Most Burgerstanians haven’t known their asses from their elbows politically for generations.

Can anyone translate this vaguepost?

To be clear I do not think that your views should be silenced and whatnot. Just agreeing that this is indeed a “far left” echo chamber.

We, just like you, have been bombarded incessantly from birth with the hegemonic bourgeois ideology. It is inescapable. Most people don’t even realize they’re soaking in it, because they’ve never been outside of it. For most people it’s just “common sense.” It’s literally impossible for us to escape to a “‘far left’ echo chamber.”

Who is really in an “echo chamber” those who have seen outside of cultural hegemony, or those who have not?

Leftists are socialists. Liberals are not socialists, they are liberals. Liberalism is founded on the right to private property, otherwise known as private ownership of the means of production, while socialists call for the abolition of private property (not to be confused with personal property).

There appears to be a lack of “centrist”

“Progressive” liberals in fact the centrists—they’re center-left at best—and there are plenty of them here.

right-wing voices (and I don’t mean extreme MAGA-type views, but rather more moderate conservative positions)

These people are liberals as well, but because they usually break Lemmy’s code of conduct regarding various bigotries, they get usually quickly the boot.

non-political

Everything social is political, and the fediverse is social media.

Yeah sorry: my bringing up JWZ as an example of past circular arguments I’ve come across devolved into a whole tangent thread I never meant to have.

Given than I deleted Signal years ago now, I don’t much care about this phone number sharing/not sharing aspect.
But in case anyone does care, Moxie responded to jwz’s concerns in that ancient post: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/#comment-172865

If you’re going to continue denying our lived experiences with Signal, why should we allow you continue commenting on our Lemmy instance?

I didn’t say that. You must be confusing me with someone else in this thread. But since you brought it up: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/

When you install Signal, it asks for access to your contacts, and says very proudly, “we don’t upload your contacts, it all stays on your phone.”

And then it spams all of your contacts who have Signal installed, without asking your first.

And it shares your phone number with everyone in your contacts who has Signal installed.

And then when you scream ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME and delete your account and purge the app, guess what? All those people running Signal still have your phone number displayed for them right there in plain text. Deleting your account does not delete the information that the app shared without your permission.

So yeah. Real nice “privacy” app you’ve got there.

I’m going back to Facebook Messenger, where at least the privacy failings are obvious.

But I’m more concerned about the security state angle.

Edit to add: I see, yes, one of the links I posted did say that, which I highlighted above. But again I’m more interested in the fact that Signal is a product of Radio Free Asia, which is a US security state outfit. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/signal-facing-collapse-after-cia-cuts-funding

I didn’t.

This conversation is about the the US security state. It’s about the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.

How much personal information Signal does or does not reveal to other Signal users is not relevant to this conversation.

I like to think that it’s usually just because they’re socially invested in it.

Trolling or ignorant. Or a secret third thing.

JWZ has had to go through the same kinds of circular conversations.

• https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/
• https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/08/signal/
• https://www.jwz.org/blog/2021/02/signal-2/

The double ratchet algo is irrelevant if the app is doing something else altogether.

Unless you compiled the app yourself from source code that you understand, you don’t really know what the app might be saying to Signal’s servers. Almost everyone just trusts that the pre-compiled app supplied by Apple or Google aren’t compromised. But we know from history that Big Tech and the military-intelligence-industrial complex are in bed with each other.

You have provided literally nothing to back up your assertion.