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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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jackeroni@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 hours ago

    That’s a bold statement, what’s your source?

    • davel@lemmy.ml
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      • Wikipedia: List of famines in China
      • Reuters, 2018, China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
      • United Nations Secretary-General, 2019: Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
      • The Economist, 2021: At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
      • Bloomberg, 2024: China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
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        That covers recent history. What about Egypt, or the Roman Empire?

        You didn’t mean increase in quality of life for everyone in the world, just for the people under that government?

        There’s a lot of candidates in “human history”.

        I’m pretty sure there was no comparative research involved in your assessment, but you might look at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life but there’s no mention of China there at all.

        Probably because Wikipedia is orientalist and just a Western megaphone. But you quoted them, so maybe not.

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          If you have to go back to the time where agriculture was first being developed to find a jump in quality of life comparable to what Communism brought to China, does that not show that Communism brought about an enormous improvement to the Chinese people? Even if it technically isn’t the most significant improvement in all of history (which is still kind of a fuzzy thing to quantify)?

          And how is it relevant that they only improved the quality of life of their own people, beyond just being pedantic about the claim “largest increase of quality of life in human history”? Like, was it necessary for Mao to invade all the neighboring countries and modernize them too so they could qualify? Very strange way to move the goalposts.

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          I see. You’re just wasting our time playing knee-jerk contrarian.

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            4 hours ago

            Great, discussion over.

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      • Monster or Liberator? by Carlos Martinez
      • How did Mao manage to kill ~78 million people? by Godfree Roberts
      • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
      • The Rise of the Chinese People’s Communes by Anna Louise Strong

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