The idea of there being no anti-war films is older than Lemmy. The problem is Poe’s Law related. You can make a movie or a game that shows the horror of war or the tyranny of distopian totalitarian regimes, but regardless of the intended message, your creation is filtered through your audience’s lenses of perception, and some of that audience has been raised to be white supremacists, some have been through schooling that acts more as indoctrination than education, and some of that audience are just seriously fucking stupid.
Yeah, I think I’ve heard of the ‘no anti-war films’ sentiment before, and vaguely heard that army recruiting increased after ‘Full Metal Jacket’, of all films. However, I don’t agree that idiocy of some part of the public is a reason to write off army, mafia, or any such quasi-satire media wholesale, as the aforementioned commenter did. That position essentially says that it’s not allowed to do critique of institutions and practices as part of ‘entertainment’ art (unless one hams it up to eleven, I guess).
The whole point of Poe’s Law is that you can’t get away from it even if you ham it to eleven, or even 38.7 gigahams/second. Unless you explicitly state ‘This is satire. That stuff is bad,’ there is little to no way to tell if it’s satire or extremism, and even if you do make it explicit, there are always the idiots who won’t notice that part and assume it’s sincere, (see naive interpretations of Starship Troopers) and those who willfully block out that part because they sincerely hold an opposing view. (See white nationalists opinions on American History X)
No one is saying it’s ‘not allowed’ for people to make those things. They’re saying it’s literally impossible because of how the media work. The kind of people who are saying ‘you can’t’ would love it to be possible. If we could movie our way to a utopia, it’d be awesome, but it seems we can’t.
You seem to agree with my position in the first paragraph.
No one is saying it’s ‘not allowed’ for people to make those things.
It’s remarkable how you apparently listened in on my comment exchange with the aforementioned unnamed person. Truly impressive capability. Could you please cite the exact argument they presented, since you know it so dearly?
That response is in itself an example of the issue at hand. Are you actually asking or just being sarcasticly snide in a way that doesn’t fully come across in text?
The idea of there being no anti-war films is older than Lemmy. The problem is Poe’s Law related. You can make a movie or a game that shows the horror of war or the tyranny of distopian totalitarian regimes, but regardless of the intended message, your creation is filtered through your audience’s lenses of perception, and some of that audience has been raised to be white supremacists, some have been through schooling that acts more as indoctrination than education, and some of that audience are just seriously fucking stupid.
Yeah, I think I’ve heard of the ‘no anti-war films’ sentiment before, and vaguely heard that army recruiting increased after ‘Full Metal Jacket’, of all films. However, I don’t agree that idiocy of some part of the public is a reason to write off army, mafia, or any such quasi-satire media wholesale, as the aforementioned commenter did. That position essentially says that it’s not allowed to do critique of institutions and practices as part of ‘entertainment’ art (unless one hams it up to eleven, I guess).
The whole point of Poe’s Law is that you can’t get away from it even if you ham it to eleven, or even 38.7 gigahams/second. Unless you explicitly state ‘This is satire. That stuff is bad,’ there is little to no way to tell if it’s satire or extremism, and even if you do make it explicit, there are always the idiots who won’t notice that part and assume it’s sincere, (see naive interpretations of Starship Troopers) and those who willfully block out that part because they sincerely hold an opposing view. (See white nationalists opinions on American History X)
No one is saying it’s ‘not allowed’ for people to make those things. They’re saying it’s literally impossible because of how the media work. The kind of people who are saying ‘you can’t’ would love it to be possible. If we could movie our way to a utopia, it’d be awesome, but it seems we can’t.
You seem to agree with my position in the first paragraph.
It’s remarkable how you apparently listened in on my comment exchange with the aforementioned unnamed person. Truly impressive capability. Could you please cite the exact argument they presented, since you know it so dearly?
That response is in itself an example of the issue at hand. Are you actually asking or just being sarcasticly snide in a way that doesn’t fully come across in text?