I believe in socialism, but I feel Stalin shouldn’t be idolised due to things like the Gulag.

I would like more people to become socialist, but I feel not condemning Stalin doesn’t help the cause.

I’ve tried to have a constructieve conversation about this, but I basically get angry comments calling me stupid for believing he did atrocious things.

That’s not how you win someone over.

I struggle to believe the Gulag etc. Never happened, and if it happened I firmly believe Stalin should be condemned.

  • Boomkop3@reddthat.com
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    17 days ago

    Proliterian supremacy? You mean worker unionization or something? That’s the kind of losing battle currently being fought in the usa.

    I suppose we’ll see the fall of China soon ish, then? They’re not particularly small.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      17 days ago

      I mean revolution and instating worker supremacy, as has happened in AES states like the PRC, USSR, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

      As per China, I specifically stated that they learned from the USSR and are doing the opposite of what contributed to its downfall. The USSR had very low wealth inequality, and suffered from brain drain where skilled individuals could be paid more in the US. The PRC is not yet developed enough to avoid that same fate if they cracked down even harder on their wealthier individuals, it’s a gamble that has so far proved correct.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          3·
          17 days ago

          Rather than pulling a groundless act of superiority, can you actually address what I’ve said? Which part are you skeptical of? Rather than watching the news alone, you should read theory and history.

          • Boomkop3@reddthat.com
            1·
            17 days ago

            What china is doing right now, I recognized the similarity in their behaviour from the news. Then you claim they’re doing the exact opposite?

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              17 days ago

              The USSR had low wealth inequality by design, and was more publicly owned and centrally planned. This led to numerous benefits, but also drawbacks such as brain drain.

              The PRC took the opposite approach. They allow billionaires to remain in the PRC, investing and developing Capital there and not elsewhere. They maintain a balancing act between capitilation and domination so there isn’t the same Capital flight and brain drain, because you can still go to China to get extraordinarily rich.

              The Chinese path presents a difficult contradiction towards their Socialist goals, but their method of “boiling the frog” has set it on course to continue surpassing the US while remaining entangled in the global economy, rather than isolated like the USSR was.