I’m not saying that it is straightforward or that you don’t have a point about the complexity, but something being entertaining and addictive really should not be conflated! You might spend tonnes of time on something because you genuinely enjoy it, but you can also spend tonnes of time on something addictive without enjoying it. Arguing that things are only addictive if they’re good is a gross misrepresentation of reality
I disagree. You’re addicted to anything you like enough. I know people that go out fishing every single week it’s possible. I used to play table tennis in a weekly league and would never get sick of playing it. There was also a stretch of about three years where the only game I’d play if I had a chance to play videogames was league of legends. I had friends that played WoW every single day for years. Another friend will never shut up about hiking. It’s all the same. All these are things you genuinely like. All could be viewed as an addiction. They’re often one and the same.
I have around $500 worth of sharpening stones and strops for knives and straight razors. I sharpen people’s knives for free. I hate seeing a dull knife and have sharpened knives for over 30 years now.
I think the problem is how to separate those things, particularly in a legal sense. Social media could come under “compulsive use” but not physical dependence. But so could a lot of games and TV shows, insofar as they are trying to make you feel a strong urge to keep playing/watching which doesn’t derive from providing value (better entertainment). There’s so many products that use every trick they can to keep you consuming, should we legislate against them all? It would be nice to do something about all of that but using the law to do it can only lead to overreach.
Yes. Gambling, drugs and other predatory practices have regulations and laws around advertising, operation and use. I don’t see why any platform or service should get an exception.
If a TV program ends a series on an unnecessary cliffhanger, should there be legal consequences? How about if a smartphone game has timed events to encourage the player to come back regularly? While I agree that these things aren’t typically beneficial, I don’t think legislation is always the answer. There’s a huge gray area around the question of whether a feature is beneficial or just designed to increase compulsive consumption. Trying to legislate something so ambiguous is bound to produce bad results.
Your comment is a little nonsensical. Again, I think your core issue is confusion over what addiction is and is not. Looking forward to the next TV episode is not addiction either.
Don’t you care about spreading misinformation online?
I think your core issue is confusion over what addiction is and is not.
That’s right. Because if your definition of addiction is broad enough to include compulsive use of social media, there’s a lot of scope for confusion. That is a case of media companies using psychological tricks to get their users/viewers coming back for more, which is not fundamentally different from a lot of TV programming techniques. There are variations of degree or complexity, but it’s the same game, and one which we’ve routinely accepted for years.
Don’t you care about spreading misinformation online?
I’m not saying that it is straightforward or that you don’t have a point about the complexity, but something being entertaining and addictive really should not be conflated! You might spend tonnes of time on something because you genuinely enjoy it, but you can also spend tonnes of time on something addictive without enjoying it. Arguing that things are only addictive if they’re good is a gross misrepresentation of reality
I disagree. You’re addicted to anything you like enough. I know people that go out fishing every single week it’s possible. I used to play table tennis in a weekly league and would never get sick of playing it. There was also a stretch of about three years where the only game I’d play if I had a chance to play videogames was league of legends. I had friends that played WoW every single day for years. Another friend will never shut up about hiking. It’s all the same. All these are things you genuinely like. All could be viewed as an addiction. They’re often one and the same.
I have around $500 worth of sharpening stones and strops for knives and straight razors. I sharpen people’s knives for free. I hate seeing a dull knife and have sharpened knives for over 30 years now.
Am I addicted, or is it a hobby?
Another conflation you seem to be making is habit formation vs addiction. What you’re describing in your own life does not sound like an addiction.
I think the problem is how to separate those things, particularly in a legal sense. Social media could come under “compulsive use” but not physical dependence. But so could a lot of games and TV shows, insofar as they are trying to make you feel a strong urge to keep playing/watching which doesn’t derive from providing value (better entertainment). There’s so many products that use every trick they can to keep you consuming, should we legislate against them all? It would be nice to do something about all of that but using the law to do it can only lead to overreach.
Yes. Gambling, drugs and other predatory practices have regulations and laws around advertising, operation and use. I don’t see why any platform or service should get an exception.
If a TV program ends a series on an unnecessary cliffhanger, should there be legal consequences? How about if a smartphone game has timed events to encourage the player to come back regularly? While I agree that these things aren’t typically beneficial, I don’t think legislation is always the answer. There’s a huge gray area around the question of whether a feature is beneficial or just designed to increase compulsive consumption. Trying to legislate something so ambiguous is bound to produce bad results.
Your comment is a little nonsensical. Again, I think your core issue is confusion over what addiction is and is not. Looking forward to the next TV episode is not addiction either.
Don’t you care about spreading misinformation online?
That’s right. Because if your definition of addiction is broad enough to include compulsive use of social media, there’s a lot of scope for confusion. That is a case of media companies using psychological tricks to get their users/viewers coming back for more, which is not fundamentally different from a lot of TV programming techniques. There are variations of degree or complexity, but it’s the same game, and one which we’ve routinely accepted for years.
How is that relevant?
We disagree on whether (or where) there is a line between compelling engagement and engineered compulsion/addiction. If you or anyone else is interested in authoritative insights on this, here’s a good starting point: https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/addictive-behaviours-gaming-disorder