• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    Knock Down The House

    Idk. This elections/ primaries since 2024 have been a mixed bag. Its pretty difficult when you’ve got elections like Illinois 9th, where the only viable progressive candidate has to face down two AIPAC funded candidates at once, while Mike_from_PA is putting her on blast for not being a “perfect progressive”. And she still came within two points. This came on the tails of the Jersey race where the AIPAC candidates cannibalized and the progressive made it through. AIPAC reorganized, re-strategized, and got their candidates through across the board that Tuesday, while the Tankie coalition ate up the slop and tore down the one chance we had at getting a socialist into that safe blue seat.

    Just saying that Knock Down The House is getting more and more out of date, and elections are changing in REAL time, with extraordinary pressure being placed on candidates, with fundraising expectations being raised to basically impossible levels. AND EVEN when the fundraising goals are met, thats still not necessarily enough when we’ve got an entire pro-Israel/ pro-Zionism media apparatus working to shut candidates down.

    I’m not saying it couldn’t work, but a big part of AOC’s victory was catching an incumbent off guard in a safe blue seat. They’re on their guard now. If AOC was running today, I think she would still win, but it would be much more difficult.

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      First off. Did you watch the documentary? Because saying its out of date tells me you didn’t.

      I’m not saying it couldn’t work, but a big part of AOC’s victory was catching an incumbent off guard in a safe blue seat. They’re on their guard now. If AOC was running today, I think she would still win, but it would be much more difficult.

      It worked because they brought together people who normally wouldn’t vote. Less than 2/3s of americans vote. So this is entirely replicable.

      If indeed >50% of americans are maga racists than the United States will dissolve.

      edit: I’m Canadian and I will never set foot in the USA again. If y’all wanna roll over that’s your prerogative.

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        Bruh I literally phone banked on her campaign in 2018. And I worked Bernies 2016 campaign. And more campaigns in 20’, and 22’, and 24, and even as recently as a few weeks ago. And I stand by my point that what it takes to win elections has changed since 2018. I’m not saying the basics of the formula don’t apply, but incumbents are far more aware of their vulnerabilities than they were previously.

        So this is entirely replicable.

        I promise you, that if you did a lift and shift of AOC’s 2018 campaign in a new district (not that its even possible), you wont win. The incumbents are ready for you. Mamdani is a great example of how you start with the AOC/ Bernie approach as the basis, but adapt to changing times. Just like AOC’s 2018 run was a huge change in how to run a campaign, 2026 campaigns also need to continually shift tactics. And I agree whole-heartedly with the voter registration aspect and getting non-voters engaged.

        Insurgent strategies have to continue to adapt and change, because incumbent strategies also continue to adapt and change.

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          Bruh I literally phone banked on her campaign in 2018.

          So you didn’t watch it. It’s actually about 5 candidates not just AOC. Everything you just said is addressed in the documentary by people who’ve been phone banking and door knocking since before you were born.

          Just fuckin watch it god damn buddy jfc

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              You don’t know what you don’t know.

              Can lead a horse to water… but you can’t make him think.

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                You can engage with the points I’ve made or you can continue to suck your own dick.

                But its clear which path you’ve chosen.

                Have you ever run a campaign or been a part of one?

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                  This whole conversation is you trying to refute media you’re too lazy to watch. So no I don’t need to respect your opinions on this matter.

                  And yes. I have,

                  just click the fucking link and watch the stupid documentary ya fuckin turd

                  edit: I’d happily engage your criticisms if you weren’t expecting me to waste my time refuting arguments you’re literally pulling from your ass

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                    I’ve seen the documentary. I worked the fucking campaigns in the fucking documentary you fucking dunce. I’m still working fucking campaigns you cynical cunt. I’ve worked winning campaigns and I’ve worked losing campaigns. I have a pretty good fucking calculus around what it takes to win an election.

                    You could just abandon your cynicism and engage with the points I’ve made, but that would require you to stop sucking your own dick for a few minutes, and since thats seemingly never possible for you, I don’t think we should be holding our breath.

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        if you can’t articulate your argument, no one should believe you nor devote their time to watching your favorite film