OTTAWA — Today, NDP Leader Avi Lewis announced the tabling of a motion in Parliament to ban “surveillance pricing,” the use of personal data to charge Canadians different prices for the same products.
Then the actual Conservatives aren’t (which TBH is a completely valid interpretation).
Even if we rule out the Liberals, it still leaves the Bloc and Greens. This community is big on the NDP, but it doesn’t seem like that’s because of policy.
What are you saying? I don’t understand your point.
First, the current Conservatives have become a far right moral conservative party that’s against equal rights, encourage traditional gender roles, and are against women’s reproductive rights. While the Liberals have become the new progressive conservatives. (Fiscally conservative, but support equal rights, etc)
The current conservative party was formed by the merging on the old Reform and Progressive Conservative parties. We’re basically back to that time, sans the old true Liberal option basically.
And with Avi Lewis, the NDP are going to be supporting the workers and the middle class and become a much more progressive and left wing party.
The LPC consistently weighed on the side of corporations in the major labour disputes over the last few years. They’re friends of the working class insofar as - they improve conditions for corporations and … something good is supposed to happen to workers as a result. Which is just anti-worker trickle down economics that’s lead us to where we are today over the decades it’s been practiced. I hoped for some change in direction on labour diaputes with Carney but so far it’s been more of the same.
It would be pretty interesting to see what the NDP would do with a nation-paralysing strike if they were in power. There’s lots of reasons why any current government hates that and wants it to stop. Edit: Even if they believe it’s bad in general and in the long term.
If you look at the policies that get passed at Liberal conventions, it tells another story. Trudeau added a tax on the very rich in his first term. The Conservatives would never have made the same deal with the NDP as he did in his last term…
I guess, do they have to do exactly what you would, to be considered pro-worker?
Nor sure why you’re thinking about nation-breaking strikes. What makes you think there’s anywhere even remotely enough support for one?
To me that’s like asking what the NDP would do if earth was invaded by hostile aliens from Alpha Centauri. I know a lot of people on Lemmy like to fantasize about these massive worker uprisings but the truth is most people are way too content and have way too much to lose for that.
The conditions of modern Canadian life, as expensive as everything is, are just about a million times more luxurious than early 20th century Russia. People have abundant food, shelter, clothing, electronics, and entertainment out the wazoo. Most working class people these days work service jobs which may be boring or frustrating but they’re far better than working in a logging camp, on a farm, on a fishing boat, in a steel mill, or on an oil rig. People are warm and comfortable with air conditioning and regular breaks.
There are two ways to break a nation-crippling strike. Take an action that benefits the workers or take an action that benefits the corporation (exec/owner). The libs took actions that benefit the respective corporations. They could have instead broken the strike by stepping in on the side of workers which would have made the workers better off and broken the strike. (And earn them a lot of organic votes.)
I’ve never made the argument that the libs are the same as the reformacons and I maxed out my contribution limits to help them take power instead of PP. That doesn’t change that on the labour file they don’t act in my general interest, instead they help my boss. I should tell you a story abt how I explained a Jira epic to a gov’t lawyer so that my employer could get a subsidy. We had record profits that year.
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They could have instead broken the strike by stepping in on the side of workers which would have made the workers better off and broken the strike. (And earn them a lot of organic votes.)
BTW, given how popular such action tends to be if you’re not asking yourself why don’t they do it, you probably should. I began doing it over the last few years and it’s cleared up a lot of seemingly confusing things they do.
E2: Also have been on the Trudeau train almost till the end.
Okay, so sure. They’re more pro-worker then the Conservatives, but not as much as the NDP or Greens, by any reasonable metric.
I guess you could pass a you-must-accept-the-worker’s-terms legislation, although the company would have options there, including just deciding to close.
Should I ask about Jira, or would that be a self-dox?
It’s a well known American private (as-in non gov’t, but publicly traded) corpo with a Canadian sub. There’s this R&D tax credit/subsidy that’s supposed to fund novel R&D. You show novel work to the gov’t, the gov’t gives you money. I’m leading the design/dev of this software feature that’s just … a required feature for our system to do what it needs to do. It required some digging into AOSP to figure out how to do it. Something we regularly do since we develop an Android system component. We finish the feature. Lo and behold comes my boss with a corpo lawyer and says - hey look this lawyer here think this qualifies for this R&D program. We go over it. A month later the same conversation repeats before a gov’t lawyer who approves it. We did not discover an algorithm, or create something of any significant novelty, no value beyond saving cost for this corpo. We did something that many other teams do regularly. Turns out, the corpo has a whole team that asks managers regularly to submit “novel R&D work” to get subsidy money and this happens throughout the org like a clockwork. Again, this is a profitable corporation.
Why do highly-profitable, large corporations qualify at all?
Answer:
Large corporations have lots more capital to deploy into the political system to ensure they qualify. And if one gets it done, the whole class benefits. The result is, even more money from people working for a wage (salary or hourly) are shifted towards large corporate owner. Beyond what they already get over what they pay us.
There’s pretty strict donation limits in place in Canada, though. First hand, politicians spend their time trying to convince ordinary voters to vote for them, and to keep their rank-and-file party members on side and engaged.
[Sad Green noises]
And honestly the Bloc and Liberals too. They just disagree about how to get there.
The Conservatives are more like allies of working class bigotry.
No. The Liberals have been neo-liberal for quite a long time now. Never really representing the working class.
Right now with their capitalistic leader, they might as well be true blue conservative.
Then the actual Conservatives aren’t (which TBH is a completely valid interpretation).
Even if we rule out the Liberals, it still leaves the Bloc and Greens. This community is big on the NDP, but it doesn’t seem like that’s because of policy.
What are you saying? I don’t understand your point.
First, the current Conservatives have become a far right moral conservative party that’s against equal rights, encourage traditional gender roles, and are against women’s reproductive rights. While the Liberals have become the new progressive conservatives. (Fiscally conservative, but support equal rights, etc)
The current conservative party was formed by the merging on the old Reform and Progressive Conservative parties. We’re basically back to that time, sans the old true Liberal option basically.
And with Avi Lewis, the NDP are going to be supporting the workers and the middle class and become a much more progressive and left wing party.
The LPC consistently weighed on the side of corporations in the major labour disputes over the last few years. They’re friends of the working class insofar as - they improve conditions for corporations and … something good is supposed to happen to workers as a result. Which is just anti-worker trickle down economics that’s lead us to where we are today over the decades it’s been practiced. I hoped for some change in direction on labour diaputes with Carney but so far it’s been more of the same.
It would be pretty interesting to see what the NDP would do with a nation-paralysing strike if they were in power. There’s lots of reasons why any current government hates that and wants it to stop. Edit: Even if they believe it’s bad in general and in the long term.
If you look at the policies that get passed at Liberal conventions, it tells another story. Trudeau added a tax on the very rich in his first term. The Conservatives would never have made the same deal with the NDP as he did in his last term…
I guess, do they have to do exactly what you would, to be considered pro-worker?
Nor sure why you’re thinking about nation-breaking strikes. What makes you think there’s anywhere even remotely enough support for one?
To me that’s like asking what the NDP would do if earth was invaded by hostile aliens from Alpha Centauri. I know a lot of people on Lemmy like to fantasize about these massive worker uprisings but the truth is most people are way too content and have way too much to lose for that.
The conditions of modern Canadian life, as expensive as everything is, are just about a million times more luxurious than early 20th century Russia. People have abundant food, shelter, clothing, electronics, and entertainment out the wazoo. Most working class people these days work service jobs which may be boring or frustrating but they’re far better than working in a logging camp, on a farm, on a fishing boat, in a steel mill, or on an oil rig. People are warm and comfortable with air conditioning and regular breaks.
There are two ways to break a nation-crippling strike. Take an action that benefits the workers or take an action that benefits the corporation (exec/owner). The libs took actions that benefit the respective corporations. They could have instead broken the strike by stepping in on the side of workers which would have made the workers better off and broken the strike. (And earn them a lot of organic votes.)
I’ve never made the argument that the libs are the same as the reformacons and I maxed out my contribution limits to help them take power instead of PP. That doesn’t change that on the labour file they don’t act in my general interest, instead they help my boss. I should tell you a story abt how I explained a Jira epic to a gov’t lawyer so that my employer could get a subsidy. We had record profits that year.
E:
BTW, given how popular such action tends to be if you’re not asking yourself why don’t they do it, you probably should. I began doing it over the last few years and it’s cleared up a lot of seemingly confusing things they do.
E2: Also have been on the Trudeau train almost till the end.
Okay, so sure. They’re more pro-worker then the Conservatives, but not as much as the NDP or Greens, by any reasonable metric.
I guess you could pass a you-must-accept-the-worker’s-terms legislation, although the company would have options there, including just deciding to close.
Should I ask about Jira, or would that be a self-dox?
Avoiding as much self-dox as possible:
It’s a well known American private (as-in non gov’t, but publicly traded) corpo with a Canadian sub. There’s this R&D tax credit/subsidy that’s supposed to fund novel R&D. You show novel work to the gov’t, the gov’t gives you money. I’m leading the design/dev of this software feature that’s just … a required feature for our system to do what it needs to do. It required some digging into AOSP to figure out how to do it. Something we regularly do since we develop an Android system component. We finish the feature. Lo and behold comes my boss with a corpo lawyer and says - hey look this lawyer here think this qualifies for this R&D program. We go over it. A month later the same conversation repeats before a gov’t lawyer who approves it. We did not discover an algorithm, or create something of any significant novelty, no value beyond saving cost for this corpo. We did something that many other teams do regularly. Turns out, the corpo has a whole team that asks managers regularly to submit “novel R&D work” to get subsidy money and this happens throughout the org like a clockwork. Again, this is a profitable corporation.
Wow, that is a pretty low bar. Technically, you did do some research and develop something, I guess.
I wonder if it’s as easy for a startup or individual to apply. If not, there’s the bad environment for innovation and competition you hear about.
I have a better / easier to answer question:
Why do highly-profitable, large corporations qualify at all?
Answer:
Large corporations have lots more capital to deploy into the political system to ensure they qualify. And if one gets it done, the whole class benefits. The result is, even more money from people working for a wage (salary or hourly) are shifted towards large corporate owner. Beyond what they already get over what they pay us.
There’s pretty strict donation limits in place in Canada, though. First hand, politicians spend their time trying to convince ordinary voters to vote for them, and to keep their rank-and-file party members on side and engaged.