I agree with a lot of what he says, but the cult he’s amassed is quite the problem. I got my first ever “kys” message here after having the audacity to correctly state he absolutely shocked his dog for no reason.
Edit: found at least 2 people who support animal abuse.
It’s actually really easy to verify that this is bullshit and then stop voluntarily participating in a smear campaign so I don’t have a lot of sympathy for y’all, stupid games stupid prizes
This kind of says it all. No, there is no support for animal abuse here, and it’s now crystal clear that you are someone who can’t (or won’t) distinguish between reality and their own assumptions. Readers can contemplate if that is relevant to your accusations against Hassan.
There is not a single person deploying that criticism in good faith.
Are you vegan? Because from your comment history, it doesn’t look like it. Even if your accusation wasn’t false (which it 100% is), it’s also completely hypocritical because you pay people to do much worse things to animals.
Anyone who spends as much time in front of a camera, with as many people looking to discredit them for political reasons, is bound to have some clip that can be twisted or interpreted in a negative light. It’s kind of impressive that you can’t actually latch on to the things he says and have to latch on to this bullshit.
Perhaps one of the most useful things Hasan does is draw out people who spread or fall for bullshit like this, so the rest of us know you can’t be trusted.
Edit: “Support animal abuse” is rich, considering which one of us actually consumes animals and animal products and actively funds the abuse in those industries. As if it wasn’t blatantly obvious already that this is shamelessly bad faith “when did you stop beating your wife” shit.
Anyone who spends as much time in front of a camera, with as many people looking to discredit them for political reasons, is bound to have some clip that can be twisted or interpreted in a negative light.
Most people have, at some point in their life, snapped at someone when they shouldn’t have. Most people do not spend a significant portion of their waking hours in front of a camera with a ton of people actively trying to discredit them for political reasons.
Now, having answered that, you answer me. Why are you more preoccupied with this idea that some streamer may have (definitely didn’t) shocked a dog, than you are about all the animals that you pay to have tortured and killed?
I can tell you why. Because you know that a dog makes for worse PR. There is no moral component to it for you whatsoever, it’s shamelessly bad faith.
And I’m allowed to point out facts about you that prove you’re speaking in bad faith. Why would I not be allowed to point out your hypocrisy? What, are you going to call it ad hominem? Kinda difficult when that’s the whole point of your false accusation about Hasan, but then again, we both know how shamelessly hypocritical you are.
No you talked about me. You created something between a straw man and an ad hominem.
Lmao! You actually did call it ad hominem! That’s hilarious. If ad hominems aren’t allowed, then drop this entire ad hominem against Hasan.
At least my “ad hominem” is actually true. Yours is pure slander.
Answer what her his knee jerk reaction was to insult his dog and not check on it?
Pretty clear question.
I did, twice:
Anyone who spends as much time in front of a camera, with as many people looking to discredit them for political reasons, is bound to have some clip that can be twisted or interpreted in a negative light.
Most people have, at some point in their life, snapped at someone when they shouldn’t have. Most people do not spend a significant portion of their waking hours in front of a camera with a ton of people actively trying to discredit them for political reasons.
Pretty clear answer.
Now answer mine. Why do you care more about this dog than all the animals you have killed for you?
Again, you are talking about ME. I’m over this. There’s nothing I can say to get it through to know that you are admitting you have an indefensible position, by you refusing to defend it. Until you learn how to answer a question without first trying to discredit your opponent, a huge debate fallacy btw, then there’s nothing I wish too continue arguing with you about.
I’m allowed to talk about you for the same reason you’re allowed to talk about Hasan. You’re trying to attack his character to discredit him, and I’m just pointing out the inconsistencies of your stated beliefs.
Even ignoring all the blatant lying and bad faith you’re doing, fundamentally you’re more guilty of ad hominem, because I’m attacking your ideas while you’re only attacking character.
Probably because that’s bullshit. I’ve seen the video, can understand how some people might think that happened, but it didn’t. I’m definitely not in his cult, if such a thing actually exists. I’ve never even watched a significant portion of any of his streams. The guy mumbles a bit too much for my tastes.
Then why was his immediate reaction not one of compassion but scorn calling her a “baby”?
Idk about you but, if my dog yelped my first instinct isn’t to fucking scold her, it is immediately wondering what made my dog yelp. The fact he didn’t react that way, shows he knew exactly what made her yelp.
Watch the clip again, you cannot in full honesty make this argument.
That’s not what I said either. It’s enough for me to point out that the “facts” as you present them aren’t uncontested. I trust rational folks to go look for themselves. Nothing you or I bicker about here would or should be relevant to what they find. I also note that there are probably tens of thousands of hours of Hassan streaming with that dog in the background, and if there were a single other incident indicating that Hassan routinely tortures it, his detractors would certainly have surfaced it by now.
What I will point out is that, were we to swallow this junk wholesale, a “lesser of two evils” comparison between Hassan and his establishment detractors would still put him miles ahead. Shock collars are awful, but not genocide levels of awful. The talking heads reading AIPAC scripts against Hassan are literally motivated by support for a genocidal regime. Re-litigating old and seriously disputed claims is distraction at best.
Thank you, that’s all I was asking. This isn’t dinner grand political debate. Like I already mentioned, 8 agree with Hassan on a great many things. But y’all gotta stop worshipping him like the second coming. He’s correct, doesn’t mean he’s perfect.
It’s a debatable point, unimportant to the greater discussion. Only trolls and dnc ball suckers bring it up. It’s equivalent to how magats fixate on Obama’s middle name.
I agree with a lot of what he says, but the cult he’s amassed is quite the problem. I got my first ever “kys” message here after having the audacity to correctly state he absolutely shocked his dog for no reason.
Edit: found at least 2 people who support animal abuse.
He visibly did nothing to that dog in every single video that claims to show otherwise, this is a smear campaign, you deserved what you got
Totally cool and normal response to tell them they deserve death threats.
It’s actually really easy to verify that this is bullshit and then stop voluntarily participating in a smear campaign so I don’t have a lot of sympathy for y’all, stupid games stupid prizes
This kind of says it all. No, there is no support for animal abuse here, and it’s now crystal clear that you are someone who can’t (or won’t) distinguish between reality and their own assumptions. Readers can contemplate if that is relevant to your accusations against Hassan.
There is not a single person deploying that criticism in good faith.
Are you vegan? Because from your comment history, it doesn’t look like it. Even if your accusation wasn’t false (which it 100% is), it’s also completely hypocritical because you pay people to do much worse things to animals.
Anyone who spends as much time in front of a camera, with as many people looking to discredit them for political reasons, is bound to have some clip that can be twisted or interpreted in a negative light. It’s kind of impressive that you can’t actually latch on to the things he says and have to latch on to this bullshit.
Perhaps one of the most useful things Hasan does is draw out people who spread or fall for bullshit like this, so the rest of us know you can’t be trusted.
Edit: “Support animal abuse” is rich, considering which one of us actually consumes animals and animal products and actively funds the abuse in those industries. As if it wasn’t blatantly obvious already that this is shamelessly bad faith “when did you stop beating your wife” shit.
Holy shit the amount of false equivalencies I’m this comment. Explain to me why HE didn’t respond to HIS dog with compassion?
Answer that without talking about me. That shouldn’t be that hard for you.
I already did:
Most people have, at some point in their life, snapped at someone when they shouldn’t have. Most people do not spend a significant portion of their waking hours in front of a camera with a ton of people actively trying to discredit them for political reasons.
Now, having answered that, you answer me. Why are you more preoccupied with this idea that some streamer may have (definitely didn’t) shocked a dog, than you are about all the animals that you pay to have tortured and killed?
I can tell you why. Because you know that a dog makes for worse PR. There is no moral component to it for you whatsoever, it’s shamelessly bad faith.
And I’m allowed to point out facts about you that prove you’re speaking in bad faith. Why would I not be allowed to point out your hypocrisy? What, are you going to call it ad hominem? Kinda difficult when that’s the whole point of your false accusation about Hasan, but then again, we both know how shamelessly hypocritical you are.
No you talked about me. You created something between a straw man and an ad hominem.
Answer what her his knee jerk reaction was to insult his dog and not check on it?
Pretty clear question.
Lmao! You actually did call it ad hominem! That’s hilarious. If ad hominems aren’t allowed, then drop this entire ad hominem against Hasan.
At least my “ad hominem” is actually true. Yours is pure slander.
I did, twice:
Pretty clear answer.
Now answer mine. Why do you care more about this dog than all the animals you have killed for you?
Again, you are talking about ME. I’m over this. There’s nothing I can say to get it through to know that you are admitting you have an indefensible position, by you refusing to defend it. Until you learn how to answer a question without first trying to discredit your opponent, a huge debate fallacy btw, then there’s nothing I wish too continue arguing with you about.
You’re losing and you know it
At least I didn’t shock my dog. I’m cool with the downvotes from you braincels, at least I can look myself in the mirror and sleep at night.
I’m allowed to talk about you for the same reason you’re allowed to talk about Hasan. You’re trying to attack his character to discredit him, and I’m just pointing out the inconsistencies of your stated beliefs.
Even ignoring all the blatant lying and bad faith you’re doing, fundamentally you’re more guilty of ad hominem, because I’m attacking your ideas while you’re only attacking character.
Probably because that’s bullshit. I’ve seen the video, can understand how some people might think that happened, but it didn’t. I’m definitely not in his cult, if such a thing actually exists. I’ve never even watched a significant portion of any of his streams. The guy mumbles a bit too much for my tastes.
Then why was his immediate reaction not one of compassion but scorn calling her a “baby”?
Idk about you but, if my dog yelped my first instinct isn’t to fucking scold her, it is immediately wondering what made my dog yelp. The fact he didn’t react that way, shows he knew exactly what made her yelp.
Watch the clip again, you cannot in full honesty make this argument.
Doesn’t matter what he said, the only actual evidence you dipshits have is video that clearly proves you wrong, he did nothing to that dog
I’m not interested in relitigating it here. It’s been discussed to death.
Not interested in thinking critically about I think is what you meant.
I meant what I said.
So you come in here and start arguing with me, then when I bring up a salient point, you metaphorically plug your ears and say “nu-uh, I’m leaving.”
Way to stand on your principles…
That’s not what I said either. It’s enough for me to point out that the “facts” as you present them aren’t uncontested. I trust rational folks to go look for themselves. Nothing you or I bicker about here would or should be relevant to what they find. I also note that there are probably tens of thousands of hours of Hassan streaming with that dog in the background, and if there were a single other incident indicating that Hassan routinely tortures it, his detractors would certainly have surfaced it by now.
What I will point out is that, were we to swallow this junk wholesale, a “lesser of two evils” comparison between Hassan and his establishment detractors would still put him miles ahead. Shock collars are awful, but not genocide levels of awful. The talking heads reading AIPAC scripts against Hassan are literally motivated by support for a genocidal regime. Re-litigating old and seriously disputed claims is distraction at best.
Ok, so you admit he likely shocked his dog?
Thank you, that’s all I was asking. This isn’t dinner grand political debate. Like I already mentioned, 8 agree with Hassan on a great many things. But y’all gotta stop worshipping him like the second coming. He’s correct, doesn’t mean he’s perfect.
It’s a debatable point, unimportant to the greater discussion. Only trolls and dnc ball suckers bring it up. It’s equivalent to how magats fixate on Obama’s middle name.
Ok, so debate it. I’m hearing both of you saying absolutely zero about it