Foreign born women do have slightly higher birth rates than native-born women, but it’s nowhere close to 4-5 kids: between 2000 and 2010, native-born women had, on average, around 1.7 children each, compared to foreign-born women having on average, around 2.1 children each. However, because foreign-born women make up comparatively few of the Swedish population, this effect only increases the average birth rate by around 0.1 child:
Furthermore, to hammer my own point home, income quartile has a much larger effect on birth rates, with the difference between income quartile 1 (0.9 births avg) and income quartile 4 (2.4 births average) having a much stronger effect:
So, yeah, it’s not video games, and it’s not really a migration issue. As I said in my original reply, it’s a lot more to do with financial security and stability.
Good info but sadly I dont trust the official numbers here. As i am sure you know, misleading with statistics is very easy. “Foreign-born” is what they use here, and they dont include people who came earlier, and are now considered Swedish citizens.
But still, good to get the official view! I had no doubt it would not show anything negative.
they dont include people who came earlier, and are now considered Swedish citizens.
That isn’t true. It’s just mothers who were born in countries other than Sweden. Even if they are now Swedish citizens, they are still considered foreign-born.
Good info but sadly I dont trust the official numbers here.
Yes, I was expecting you to say that. What’s your source, then?
I just ask chat gpt to go through the statistics since there are a million documents about this. They do have more children but it has decreased in the last few years. Definently not 4-5 children. And its good for the state, since Sweden now has the lowest child births in decades.
According to Statistics Sweden, foreign-born women in Sweden have, on average, slightly more children than women born in Sweden, but the difference has clearly decreased.
Latest clear comparison from Statistics Sweden:
GroupTotal fertility rate, 2023Women born in Sweden1.4 children per womanWomen born abroad1.6 children per woman
Statistics Sweden says that foreign-born women follow the same downward trend as Swedish-born women, but “at a higher level.” In 1990, foreign-born women had 2.4 children per woman, while in 2023 the figure was 1.6. Swedish-born women had 1.4 in 2023.
Important nuances:
“Immigrants” are not one single group.
Statistics Sweden says that women born in the EU or Nordic countries generally have lower fertility than women born in Sweden, while women born in Africa have the highest fertility. Women born in Asia are higher than Swedish-born women but lower than women born in Africa.
The measure is not perfectly comparable.
Statistics Sweden notes that the total fertility rate for foreign-born women is not fully comparable with Swedish-born women, because not all foreign-born women have lived in Sweden throughout their entire fertile period.
Part of the difference is due to timing of immigration.
Statistics Sweden says that childbearing is often high in the first years after immigration, which can raise the figure for foreign-born women.
Overall fertility in Sweden is low.
For Sweden as a whole, the total fertility rate in 2025 was 1.42 children per woman, roughly the same low level as in 2024.
So the answer is: yes, on average slightly more, but not dramatically more, and the difference varies a lot depending on region of birth and time spent in Sweden.
It really beggars belief that you trust ChatGPT’s regurgitation of my own source more than the direct source itself, considering how well documented the unreliability and bias of ChatGPT and other LLMs are, but putting that aside, are you strong enough to realize and admit you were wrong?
Misleading with statistics can certainly be done in some contexts, but it’s harder to do that than it is to be wrong with just ‘I have a gut feel bro’. The breakdown by income quartile here is, like, directly the narrative that the stats are intended to support and clearly a larger impact that immigration because… Well… Quartiles are quite big…
Okay? Even if that is true, so what? Do immigrants not play video games? lmao
Just explaining the stats for sweden. Without those, birth rates would be going down a lot.
I decided to investigate your claim because it smelled fishy - and yeah, you’re wrong.
Foreign born women do have slightly higher birth rates than native-born women, but it’s nowhere close to 4-5 kids: between 2000 and 2010, native-born women had, on average, around 1.7 children each, compared to foreign-born women having on average, around 2.1 children each. However, because foreign-born women make up comparatively few of the Swedish population, this effect only increases the average birth rate by around 0.1 child:
Furthermore, to hammer my own point home, income quartile has a much larger effect on birth rates, with the difference between income quartile 1 (0.9 births avg) and income quartile 4 (2.4 births average) having a much stronger effect:
So, yeah, it’s not video games, and it’s not really a migration issue. As I said in my original reply, it’s a lot more to do with financial security and stability.
Good info but sadly I dont trust the official numbers here. As i am sure you know, misleading with statistics is very easy. “Foreign-born” is what they use here, and they dont include people who came earlier, and are now considered Swedish citizens.
But still, good to get the official view! I had no doubt it would not show anything negative.
That isn’t true. It’s just mothers who were born in countries other than Sweden. Even if they are now Swedish citizens, they are still considered foreign-born.
Yes, I was expecting you to say that. What’s your source, then?
I just ask chat gpt to go through the statistics since there are a million documents about this. They do have more children but it has decreased in the last few years. Definently not 4-5 children. And its good for the state, since Sweden now has the lowest child births in decades.
According to Statistics Sweden, foreign-born women in Sweden have, on average, slightly more children than women born in Sweden, but the difference has clearly decreased.
Latest clear comparison from Statistics Sweden:
GroupTotal fertility rate, 2023Women born in Sweden1.4 children per womanWomen born abroad1.6 children per woman
Statistics Sweden says that foreign-born women follow the same downward trend as Swedish-born women, but “at a higher level.” In 1990, foreign-born women had 2.4 children per woman, while in 2023 the figure was 1.6. Swedish-born women had 1.4 in 2023.
Important nuances:
“Immigrants” are not one single group. Statistics Sweden says that women born in the EU or Nordic countries generally have lower fertility than women born in Sweden, while women born in Africa have the highest fertility. Women born in Asia are higher than Swedish-born women but lower than women born in Africa.
The measure is not perfectly comparable. Statistics Sweden notes that the total fertility rate for foreign-born women is not fully comparable with Swedish-born women, because not all foreign-born women have lived in Sweden throughout their entire fertile period.
Part of the difference is due to timing of immigration. Statistics Sweden says that childbearing is often high in the first years after immigration, which can raise the figure for foreign-born women.
Overall fertility in Sweden is low. For Sweden as a whole, the total fertility rate in 2025 was 1.42 children per woman, roughly the same low level as in 2024.
So the answer is: yes, on average slightly more, but not dramatically more, and the difference varies a lot depending on region of birth and time spent in Sweden.
It really beggars belief that you trust ChatGPT’s regurgitation of my own source more than the direct source itself, considering how well documented the unreliability and bias of ChatGPT and other LLMs are, but putting that aside, are you strong enough to realize and admit you were wrong?
Yes I have no problems with that. Thanks for the info.
Cool, good for you! and no problem, have a good one, and solidarity forever!
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No.
Misleading with statistics can certainly be done in some contexts, but it’s harder to do that than it is to be wrong with just ‘I have a gut feel bro’. The breakdown by income quartile here is, like, directly the narrative that the stats are intended to support and clearly a larger impact that immigration because… Well… Quartiles are quite big…