• remon@ani.social
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    No, the screenshot is fake.

    There was a link to the actual thread in the now deleted post. The text and images in the the screenshot have been edited.

  • TORFdot0@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    This is unprovable so whatever the readers preconceived notions about feddit, db0, and Zionism are, will probably determine what they believe really happened.

    This nazi instance can just make up accounts they claim are the db0 admin and say they have infiltrated other instances. That’s what they do, just say shit to upset people.

    Personally I think the screenshot is real but the “plot” is just fake or trolling

  • MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world
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    This looks like something that might upset me very much if I knew what the fuck was going on. Fortunately, I’m 100% clueless, so I can happily go about my day.

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    This screenshot is passed around a lot today. It’s hard to prove it’s authencity because it’d be very easy to just pretend you have infiltrated something and create a chat like this just to stir shit up and damage db0’s “reputation” and the trust between admins.

    The mentioned instance’s main admins should look real hard if their other admins are actually doctoring opinions by abusing their admin powers/authorities and check how they’re recruiting their admins. I would imagine it’s not super hard to get into there when moderation in the fediverse is pretty tiring and you appreciate any help.

    I don’t follow db0 or the other instances closely so idk how likely it is in this case. Just saying it’s absolutely possible but the screenshot doesn’t prove anything.

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      The screenshot itself is unverifiable, but,

      If it:

      Looks like a Nazi talking point

      Sounds like a Nazi talking point

      Feels like a Nazi talking point

      It’s probably a Nazi talking point.

      These assholes using the word “Zionist” instead of “Jew” for the group of people they want to kill is Groucho-Glasses level of disguise.

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        There have been plenty of users who don’t seem to quite live up to their own “I’m only against Zionism” talking point and make slip ups from time to time. I just assumed the socialists were just as prone to hate-think as their far right counterparts. I suppose it’s possible it’s just neo-Nazis, but they are finding lots of sympathy.

        Statements that are clearly against Jewish people in general are just brushed off as the fault of Netanyahu for conflating Jewish and Zionist.

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          I’ve seen this a lot on the wider internet, as well. Lots of anti-Jew happening lately thanks to Israel/Netanyahu.

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        The original post has been found and this is proven to be an edited image made to make anti-Zionist instances look like Nazis.

        https://annihilation.social/notice/B4h2ZGmx5qDNAEV1XM

        You can compare the emoji reactions, post dates, users and the @ mentions on the tweets. There are minor discrepancies with new comments and upvotes but the overlap is too strong to be anything but the original post.

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          I don’t buy it. The screenshot thread is set to private. The archive thread is open. How convenient that there was a public thread available for archiving.

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            But you buy that Op found a private thread claiming dbz were Nazis?

            One that was never provided a working link for, one that overlaps nearly identically with this real link?

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                Israel does not mean every Jewish person.

                To conflate the two is antisemitic.

                And what do antisemites quack like again?

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                  Also suspicious is that they are now piling on the feddit.org mod in multiple threads.

                  It’s consistently db0 users and their ilk that spew hate on others. That’s the bigger telltale sign for me.

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    I don’t think this is real, I had a look around and I can’t find anything like it. Even if it is real, making some shit up like this is classic nazi behavior.

    I feel like it is extremely likely that this is a pro-zionist, far-right psyop.

    Zionists are basically fascists. For those of you who remember, the internet in the early 2010s had lots of crypto-fascists, who would pretend not to be fascist, and communicate through dog whistles. They would always act with “civility”, and when they were called out as fascist, they’d be like “woah woah woah, that’s some dangerous rhetoric there, bud. not everyone you disagree with is a fascist”

    Zionists are operating using the exact same playbook. Do not fall for their bullshit.

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      The existence of Israel is dependent on anti Semitism. Even if a Jew has to spraypaint a swastika on a synagogue, if a Jew has to yell out “Kill all Jews” to stop a pro Palestine protest and get 100 of their members arrested, if the IDF has to carry out the Hannibal Directive on October 7th, it’s all in the name of preserving the Jewish state of Israel.

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      GTFO, so-called “Anarchists” are only distinguishable from unabashed Neonazis by the weak-ass euphemism “Zionist” instead of “Jew”

      “Kill all Zionists” is a daily talking point on some instances. You’re either a useful idiot too lost in the sauce to realize how you’ve been duped, or part of the “crew”.

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        Anyone looking through my comments can see that I am absolutely no anti-semite:

        you should make a distinction between Jews and zionists/the state of Israel, remember that not all Jews are zionists, there are many anti-zionist Jews who oppose Israel and their genocide.

        I don’t know how serious you’re being, but please remember that there are plenty of Jewish people who are also anti-Zionist and anti-Israel, don’t let some bad, loud voices persuade you otherwise <3

        I suspect you, on the other hand, may be a zionist.

        Do you believe Israel is conducting genocide in Gaza, killing over 60,000 people including many innocent civillians, and also is now ethnically cleansing Lebanon?

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          “Calling for the mass murder of anyone sounds pretty evil”

          “You sound like you like murder, are you someone we want to murder?”

          Y’all can take your black flags and go, too many of you didn’t paint over the red and white nearly well enough.

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            I notice you dodged my question.

            Again, anyone looking through my comments can confirm that I advocate against the death penalty, even for Zionist Nazis, and I have never urged for the death or murder of any zionists (except maybe for IDF soldiers to be killed by resistance forces in combat situations):

            De-nazification obviously shouldn’t be death - except perhaps for people like Bibi himself, and other leaders - but truth and reconciliation campaigns, cult deprogramming, re-education initiatives, and laws against zionists holding positions of power in the new nation formed.

            I will ask again: do you believe Israel is conducting genocide in Gaza, killing over 60,000 people including many innocent civillians, and also is now ethnically cleansing Lebanon?

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              Hmmm, when I say “calling for mass murder sounds evil”, what do you think? Rub those three brain cells together and see if you might be able to infer how I feel about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza and Lebanon.

              I didn’t know not adding a paragraph of explanation to the basic take “don’t fucking murder people en-mass” made it controversial. TIL.

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                I can imagine that you feel some kind of way about it - but you’re intentionally avoiding telling us how you feel, and just vagueposting, letting us infer and project what we want.

                On the other hand, my positions are clear, consistent, backed with quotes going back weeks and months, clearly disproving all of your wild accusations. An apology would be appreciated. I don’t enjoy being compared to a neo-nazi.

                I notice that you continue avoiding the term “genocide”. Do you deny that it is a genocide?

                If you agree that Israel is responsible for ethnic cleansing, why are you here calling out anarchists for principled anti-zionism? Is protecting Israel from criticism more important to you than advocating against genocide and ethnic cleansing? Do you want the alt-right leading the fight against zionism? Do you think that’s a good idea?

                If you are so concerned with acts of murder against innocent people, you’d be anti-zionist, too. And yet, here you are, fighting against someone who is a principled anti-zionist, who consistently argues against anti-semitism.

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                  You’re defending “Kill all Zionists”, and then accusing people who say “mass murder is evil” of being Zionists. Now, you’re playing dumb, pretending you haven’t a clue where I’mcoming from. If you want an apology, ask your education system.

                  We’re here in the weeds because you’ve successfully managed to change the topic to semantics of a position you’ve assigned me, rather than the actual issue of neonazis sucessfully coopting Anarchist thought. Bravo, you’ve used the alt-right playbook sucessfully.

    • tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden
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      The screenshot is supposedly from a Nazi forum and they claim to have infiltrated db0 and possibly other instances by becoming admins.

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        The thing is that Nazis say all kinds of things that are supposed to make them look smart and cool to their pathetic dipshit friends.

        I make it a policy to require at least one more source above “a Nazi said it.”

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          *is alleged to have said it. I have no idea about the veracity of this image.

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        So, is the phrase “zero governance” the problem here? What does it refer to?