• Ilandar@lemmy.today
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    Jackson had a pretty eventful life so I could forgive the filmmakers if they had chosen to avoid that stuff to focus on a specific period of it. The problem is that they had it all ready to go and then cut it due to legal difficulties. That’s inevitably going to lead to a misleading characterisation, which is extremely problematic considering the severity of the allegations against Jackson.

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    My understanding, some parts of the documentary had to be cut, due to legal agreements made with the settling parties.

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    I seem to remember Jackson had a bunch of chimes and stuff set up to warn him of anyone approaching his bedroom. Does anybody have a reference for that?

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      I read over the evidence years ago, it was alarming.

      Speaking of alarms.

      He had this long hallway rigged to play loud noises and flash lights in his room when someone was walking in the hall so he would never be surprised.

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    Its pretty well documented that a good few of the boys were coached by their parents into saying what they said and there was a lot of circumstancial evidence.

    I’m not saying he’s a good guy, but there was a massive PR smear campaign against Jackson, and then with a trial that appears to be mostly for the papers, well. Anyone who claims absolutely he was, I wonder if they just bought the story that was there. The entire subject requires a good bit of nuance and speculation. We’ll probably never know the full truth.

    Dude was weird and creepy, but he also never got a fair day in court.

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      Leaving Neverland is actually about the kids that defended him under oath in those early court cases and then reversed their position as adults due to trauma resurfacing.

      He never got a fair day in court because he paid off everyone that accused him, as well as others who had not accused him of anything. The media circus didn’t help, but the coaching angle now looks more like kids lied under oath to protect him rather than accuse him, potentially so the “loyal” parents could get a payoff at the time.

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        Which proves to me more that we’ll never really know the truth of what happened. The trial was a sham in all directions, people paid off, cops did a piss poor job. I don’t think anyone will truly know except those that were there.

    • KarlHungus42@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, a lot of people normally opt for $23 million dollar legal settlements to keep things under wraps when they are innocent.

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          Nothing would be better than being adjudicated to innocence. Whatever you need to tell yourself to keep moonwalking though

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            Ha, funny!

            But also yes. When people come forward and admit they lied, I tell myself I need to trvisit my own opinions of an event, because what I thought may not be correct anymore. That’s how I moonwalk through life. Do my best with the facts at hand, but always be willing to change if those facts change

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      Sharing your bed with a kid who isn’t your offspring: weird and creepy, but not immoral or illegal. But apparently enough for some people to convict MJ.

    • calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone
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      Even the documentary guy uses circumstantial evidence.

      According to Reed, the film fundamentally fails to tackle Jackson’s predatory relationship with children. “They’re saying that the reason Jackson liked children is because he’s an angel and just wanted to be nice to children, not that he wanted to have sex with them … Why are they dancing around this? It’s well-known that Jackson spent a long time with small-boy companions, including taking them into his bed at night and locking the door, which is undisputed – and that alone, if someone made a claim, is probably enough to convict him in a court of child sexual abuse – but with Jackson, none of this stuff seems to matter.”

      “And locking the door, which is undisputed”

      Wait, you’re saying the most famous musical artist in the world would lock his bedroom door when he went to sleep?! Even when he was with kids who he acted like were his?? Get out, you’re kidding.

      Even this guy relies on the assumption that Michael Jackson is guilty to start.

      It’s fascinating.

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        Everyone (including myself) were so eager to call the weird creepy guy a pedo and convict that I don’t think many stopped to think beyond it. Only now, well past the time he can actually have a fair day do we all realize “wait a minute, some of this may not have added up”. He may be innocent, he may be guilty, we’ll never know. What we do know is that the trial he was given was a sham.

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    There’s a really weird amount of defense and sympathy for the estate of a rich dead child molester in this thread.

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      Yeh. Innocent or guilty I wouldn’t leave my kids with him…or any stranger for that fact. The parents are at fault, but he also had some strange behaviour going on.

      You can say oh it used to be like that…no. People knew even then not to leave kids with an adult they have no idea about.

      I like the guys music but that’s it.

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    I’d be more inclined to believe the guy who made a bunch of accurate dovumentary films, over the action movie director who stands with Israel.

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    I think it’s not so black and white but some sortvof uncomfortable gray. What I do know is that these guys like money more than they actually care about this.