• kiagam@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I understand the parallel, but all you said can be confirmed or denied by several sources I have access to. I don’t have alternative sources for most of the claims about China. Could you provide them? When I read about these things, it seemed trustworthy.

    Also, I’m not even american, chill. I am not chinese either, I don’t have a horse in this race. Both can burn in nuclear winter as far as I care

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      by several sources I have access to

      Does your government limit your access to any sources?

      But also all of those things are true and verifiable. That’s freedom in America baby—free to be rich and if you’re not filthy rich and just middle class or above you’re good as long as you’re white and male. Not so free for many other people.

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        What I mean by “have access to” is that information about china is scarce unless you are reading in chinese and talking to chinese people. I will be visiting there later this year btw and have family that goes frequently for business, but that doesn’t really show political reality

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        No, third world country that doesn’t give a shit and isn’t technically capable of doing anything to that scale (maybe I saw a DNS block once? And only on the ISP DNS)

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      There are some hardcore pro-china people on lemmy. I made a joke about disappearing someone for re-education (like what happened to Jack Ma, co-founder of Ali-baba) and people downvoted shit out of it and said my American media is lying, idk what I’m talking about, etc etc.

      I’m not saying the American media is a beacon of journalistic integrity or anything but it’s telling they won’t even admit these things happen in China.

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        …You spread a conspiracy theory not even supported by mainstream US outlets and people reacted badly?!

        Jack Ma was not ‘disappeared.’ He was, in fact, brought up on charges that were later dismissed due to his cooperation. This was public news. Because Jack Ma attempted to bribe members of the CPC in order to gain political support for his incredibly unpopular and stupid idea of lessening safety regulations to bring Chinese markets closer to the ‘freedom’ of the US market.

        His political movement failed, his bribery attempts were exposed, and unfortunately, he was not punished for them beyond having to issue an apology. Honestly it’s a shame China didn’t actually punish him like your conspiracy theory suggests, given the amount of damage he attempted to do to the Chinese economy and integrity of the People’s congress.

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        I just spent 5 minutes googling and didn’t find a single source that says Jack Ma was disappeared for re-education. Not even right-wing sources like Business Insider and Forbes.

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          Wait wait wait. I wanted more info on where I might have heard that “misinformation” so I Googled it and this is literally the AI summary that popped up before I could scroll what are you talking about “didn’t find a single source” lol

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              Read my comment for once. You claimed you couldn’t find a single thing to suggest this “re-education narrative” and it was literally the first thing that popped up. But I guess your Chinese internet isn’t the same with your governments “great firewall”.

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            Also, literally nothing in that says anything about Jack Ma. Stop relying on AI, it’s frying your brain.

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              Never said it was trustworthy. Try not to be so disingenuous next time. Dude said there wasn’t anything anywhere that said people get disappeared and it was literally the first thing that popped up. Tank harder ig

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                Your reading comprehension skills need brushing up. I said I couldn’t find anything about Jack Ma being disappeared, which was your original claim. Or maybe you’re just trying to move the goalposts because you were proved incorrect.

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                  Now what? Go ahead, I’ll wait. Since apparently your internet doesn’t have access to the same info mine does. Anything else you want me to look up for you? Tienneman square 1989 maybe?

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                    Omfg you keep proving me right. Disappearing from public view is not the same thing as being disappeared and reeducated. Go back to school.

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          You mean the state didn’t report what honestly happened to him? :O I’m shocked i say, shocked. You know epstein definitely killed himself and worked alone too, our government said so. As if Forbes is gonna report on that lol good try