tbf, one could theoretically have both. Nazis were down with Zionism insofar as it proposed to take all the Jews out of everywhere else and bring them to Palestine. Though they weren’t wedded to Palestine; the Nazis also proposed Madagascar.
Politics, strange bedfellows, etc.
The bit where it gets strange is when you accuse a Jewish man of being a Nazi for the crime of (checks notes) wanting to reside in a country that isn’t a Jewish ethnostate and has no plans to become one.
The reason why they use ‘Nazi’ is either because Nazi has stronger genocidal connotations, or because Russian propaganda pushes that anyone who opposes Russia as a Nazi, as the great crime of the Nazis to Russian ultranationalists is neither fascism nor genocide (else they might have to give a stern look to Great Leader Stalin) but opposing Glorious Mother Russia.
TBH I don’t think national socialism is that closely linked to antisemitism. If someone does everything else like the German WW2 nazis but replaces hate against Jews with hate against any other mostly powerless minority, I think it’s fair game to call that someone a nazi. Though in that sense a lot of people who often get called nazis still aren’t nazis in a narrow sense, because their organizational structure and general ideology is too different.
On the other hand, it’s usually just used as a shorthand/slur for “extreme rightwinger” (are those even necessarily fascist?), and IMO that’s not that much of an issue.
Anywhere where I look up the characteristics on nazism, “fervent antisemitism” is a key element. It is mostly what sets it apart from fascism and a corporative state (Ständestaat/Austrofascism).
The word literally gets used to describe someone that’s too intense about grammar. Israel is constantly called a Nazi state (and rightly so because of the similarities).
Also nationalsocialism is inherently anti-Jew, therefore being nazi and zionist doesn’t really work out. Pick one or none, but you can’t have both.
It’s not that the Nazis were anti-Jewish; many historical Zionists were anti-Jewish. It’s that the Nazis preferred genocide through mass murder over genocide through mass deportation.
Why do they keep using nazi when fascist is the word they should be using when it comes to nationalist ideologies?
Also nationalsocialism is inherently anti-Jew, therefore being nazi and zionist doesn’t really work out. Pick one or none, but you can’t have both.
tbf, one could theoretically have both. Nazis were down with Zionism insofar as it proposed to take all the Jews out of everywhere else and bring them to Palestine. Though they weren’t wedded to Palestine; the Nazis also proposed Madagascar.
Politics, strange bedfellows, etc.
The bit where it gets strange is when you accuse a Jewish man of being a Nazi for the crime of (checks notes) wanting to reside in a country that isn’t a Jewish ethnostate and has no plans to become one.
The reason why they use ‘Nazi’ is either because Nazi has stronger genocidal connotations, or because Russian propaganda pushes that anyone who opposes Russia as a Nazi, as the great crime of the Nazis to Russian ultranationalists is neither fascism nor genocide (else they might have to give a stern look to Great Leader Stalin) but opposing Glorious Mother Russia.
TBH I don’t think national socialism is that closely linked to antisemitism. If someone does everything else like the German WW2 nazis but replaces hate against Jews with hate against any other mostly powerless minority, I think it’s fair game to call that someone a nazi. Though in that sense a lot of people who often get called nazis still aren’t nazis in a narrow sense, because their organizational structure and general ideology is too different.
On the other hand, it’s usually just used as a shorthand/slur for “extreme rightwinger” (are those even necessarily fascist?), and IMO that’s not that much of an issue.
Palestinians are semites too.
TFW 19th century German Jew haters fail at ethnology and/or latin
Anywhere where I look up the characteristics on nazism, “fervent antisemitism” is a key element. It is mostly what sets it apart from fascism and a corporative state (Ständestaat/Austrofascism).
The word literally gets used to describe someone that’s too intense about grammar. Israel is constantly called a Nazi state (and rightly so because of the similarities).
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A lot of modern antisemites see Israel as a solution to their problems.
You know why
It’s not that the Nazis were anti-Jewish; many historical Zionists were anti-Jewish. It’s that the Nazis preferred genocide through mass murder over genocide through mass deportation.
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