It does feel like something odd is up recently. The amount of comfort I’ve been noticing with people directly calling for specific individuals to be harmed, the anti-Isreal stuff leaning harder into more anti-Jewish talk, and the pot stirring between Db0 and World all feel a bit manufactured.
The statements I saw didn’t really seem intended to diffuse the situation. It feels like one individual did something provocative and neither side liked it, but certain people don’t seem ready to let go and are keeping it going publicly.
I haven’t noticed any real public response from World, so the beef feels one sided, which I don’t think helps db0 look like the rational party. I appreciate them being open, but it looks like people just airing personal grievances rather than something that pertains to all users of db0 or World.
I’m not invested any further than not wanting to lose a sizeable chunk of subscribers, but the behavior doesn’t reflect well in the instances involved and certainly isn’t benefitting the user bases by being a public debate. But that’s just my opinion and how I would personally handle things based on what I’m aware of concerning the situation.
I was at a community that was supposed to be mostly for anarchists, and it wasn’t one of the major tankie instances, and yet I still met someone who insisted “zio” culture is just murder and rape. And their post history wasn’t any better.
Yeah, I was seeing it pop up in otherwise civil conversations and go straight to what I’d consider far right conspiracy stuff or outright hate for anyone Jewish anywhere. I don’t recall if they were new accounts, but they were people I was not previously familiar with.
There is much to criticize about the events going on, but this type of talk is not criticism.
Also how conveniently day old accounts from instances with open registration pop up to go on racist or transphobic tirades so that db0 or .ml members can pin it on opponents.
They also think comments like this constitute “pro-Zionism” somehow.
They are deeply unserious virtue-signalers at heart, and it’s wild watching them adopt more and more obvious anti-semitism just to show how “anti-Zionist” they are.
On a side note they insist that I am a zionist and constantly misgender me (he instead or she or they). Meanwhile antizionists who arent anglos and terminally only try to insist that I am an “antizionist who doesnt like the term” and Zionists straight up claim I am an antizionist and in the case of anti-Germans sometimes an antisemite because I dont support Israels actions (war and colonialism) and condemn the IDF.
It is always the same people who Rimu conveniently banned from piefed.social who insist I am a zionist.
Also how they tend to be ableist themselves, but then call others out when they are ableist.
And I literally only ever said that neither Israeli nor Palestinian should have to suffer conflicts between Hamas and IDF and that was still interpreted as zionist.
It feels like in their eyes, you are a zionist if you arent outright for the destruction of Israel including it’s citizens.
The funniest part is watching them research every word to see if there’s some several-hundred year old connotation that could maybe, potentially be considered ableist-adjacent so they can go “Ooo, Ooo! Ableist!!”
Like, clearly they aren’t actually trying to protect anyone from ableism at that point, they’re just fishing for a way to discredit.
I mean they use “stupid” and “idiot” all the time, when I even use them as rarely as possible (and when I do, it is for things and not people).
Edit: I just searched me using “stupid” in posts and comments and this is literally the first comment out of nearly two thousand comments where I mention the word. lol
I don’t necessarily read too much into which direction the pot is being stirred, because it doesn’t even need to be from one side or the other when anyone can make and account anywhere and just be a malicious third party that wants to see the 2 other fight. I think all the public bickering is useless between the admins. I think airing all this stuff out just drags more people into the argument.
The call to violence stuff is also something I think should be real embarrassing to any admin of any instance. Allowing that stuff reflects badly on your whole community. There are plenty of people I wouldn’t miss right now, but I don’t want to live in a time or place it’s alright to hurt people we don’t like. The pendulum always swings back your way.
We have something really great going on here in the Fediverse, and it’s nice seeing so diverse a userbase getting along relatively well. I never thought I’d see one place mixing mainstream liberals, communists, socialists, anarchists, lgbtq, furry, and whatever else we’ve got going on here working so well. I’m going to be pretty upset if we let a single digit number of people bust this place up. Please get it together, people.
I am pretty sure a handful of people are constantly making alts to cause discord on Lemmy/Piefed.
It does feel like something odd is up recently. The amount of comfort I’ve been noticing with people directly calling for specific individuals to be harmed, the anti-Isreal stuff leaning harder into more anti-Jewish talk, and the pot stirring between Db0 and World all feel a bit manufactured.
A lot of the shit stirring directly comes from members of the dbzer0 admin team, though. You can’t blame that on random alts.
The statements I saw didn’t really seem intended to diffuse the situation. It feels like one individual did something provocative and neither side liked it, but certain people don’t seem ready to let go and are keeping it going publicly.
I haven’t noticed any real public response from World, so the beef feels one sided, which I don’t think helps db0 look like the rational party. I appreciate them being open, but it looks like people just airing personal grievances rather than something that pertains to all users of db0 or World.
I’m not invested any further than not wanting to lose a sizeable chunk of subscribers, but the behavior doesn’t reflect well in the instances involved and certainly isn’t benefitting the user bases by being a public debate. But that’s just my opinion and how I would personally handle things based on what I’m aware of concerning the situation.
I was at a community that was supposed to be mostly for anarchists, and it wasn’t one of the major tankie instances, and yet I still met someone who insisted “zio” culture is just murder and rape. And their post history wasn’t any better.
Yeah, I was seeing it pop up in otherwise civil conversations and go straight to what I’d consider far right conspiracy stuff or outright hate for anyone Jewish anywhere. I don’t recall if they were new accounts, but they were people I was not previously familiar with.
There is much to criticize about the events going on, but this type of talk is not criticism.
Also how conveniently day old accounts from instances with open registration pop up to go on racist or transphobic tirades so that db0 or .ml members can pin it on opponents.
They also think comments like this constitute “pro-Zionism” somehow.
They are deeply unserious virtue-signalers at heart, and it’s wild watching them adopt more and more obvious anti-semitism just to show how “anti-Zionist” they are.
On a side note they insist that I am a zionist and constantly misgender me (he instead or she or they). Meanwhile antizionists who arent anglos and terminally only try to insist that I am an “antizionist who doesnt like the term” and Zionists straight up claim I am an antizionist and in the case of anti-Germans sometimes an antisemite because I dont support Israels actions (war and colonialism) and condemn the IDF.
It is always the same people who Rimu conveniently banned from piefed.social who insist I am a zionist.
Also how they tend to be ableist themselves, but then call others out when they are ableist.
And I literally only ever said that neither Israeli nor Palestinian should have to suffer conflicts between Hamas and IDF and that was still interpreted as zionist.
It feels like in their eyes, you are a zionist if you arent outright for the destruction of Israel including it’s citizens.
The funniest part is watching them research every word to see if there’s some several-hundred year old connotation that could maybe, potentially be considered ableist-adjacent so they can go “Ooo, Ooo! Ableist!!”
Like, clearly they aren’t actually trying to protect anyone from ableism at that point, they’re just fishing for a way to discredit.
I mean they use “stupid” and “idiot” all the time, when I even use them as rarely as possible (and when I do, it is for things and not people).
Edit: I just searched me using “stupid” in posts and comments and this is literally the first comment out of nearly two thousand comments where I mention the word. lol
I don’t necessarily read too much into which direction the pot is being stirred, because it doesn’t even need to be from one side or the other when anyone can make and account anywhere and just be a malicious third party that wants to see the 2 other fight. I think all the public bickering is useless between the admins. I think airing all this stuff out just drags more people into the argument.
The call to violence stuff is also something I think should be real embarrassing to any admin of any instance. Allowing that stuff reflects badly on your whole community. There are plenty of people I wouldn’t miss right now, but I don’t want to live in a time or place it’s alright to hurt people we don’t like. The pendulum always swings back your way.
We have something really great going on here in the Fediverse, and it’s nice seeing so diverse a userbase getting along relatively well. I never thought I’d see one place mixing mainstream liberals, communists, socialists, anarchists, lgbtq, furry, and whatever else we’ve got going on here working so well. I’m going to be pretty upset if we let a single digit number of people bust this place up. Please get it together, people.