The new iPhone 17 model supports Apple’s AI tools, features faster wireless charging, and includes the new C1X modem developed by the company’s silicon team.
I don’t know of any modern soc type semiconductor manufacturer without some Israeli connection at least on the level of what’s described in this article “ cooperation with engineers from … development center in Israel”.
Open to being wrong here but I think even manufacturers of non-soc ics like op amps and ttl and discrete components like transistors and diodes have this degree of connection (I’m thinking specifically of onsemi who make all the Fairchild stuff here!)
Huawei famously ran an Israel office for a long time, idk about xiaomi but smic usually works in nations they’re sanctioned in through shells like (at least in the past) Israel microwave company.
The point isn’t to find the one pure company but to recognize the reality of semiconductor manufacturing and development at this moment being insanely integrated across every imaginable border and take a more nuanced and serious view of the impact a chip could have on your life than “chip tied to Israel, chip and stuff it’s in bad”
That’s not to say your replies could be reasonably distilled down to that mischaracterization, just that I’m hoping people come away thinking they should think of more than weather something has a tie to the bad country.
I think it’s absolutely the point to use tech stacks outside US and Israeli control because these are bad actors, and any technology associated with them cannot be trusted.
That’s a pretty recent change, but I take your point that chip manufacturing with no ties to Israel may exist.
To the main point, while it could be a good idea in theory to avoid devices with chips tied to Israel and the us, in practice that would lead people away from iphones and pixels that do best against graphite and cellebrite which would be bad.
I don’t really see a problem with steering people away from iphones, but older pixels with graphineos are probably a safe enough device to own right now.
I mean, if your goal is to make people as safe from the police as possible as simply as possible then the cellebrite and graphite leaks would steer you towards the last few generations of pixels and any iphone that can get the latest os.
That’s not to say graphene isn’t a fantastic choice, I use it daily and it’s secure from law enforcement hardware, just that the leaked capability matrixes consistently indicate that cops can’t break into appropriately secured iphones and specific android phones as well.
Which is really useful knowledge to have and build your behaviors around that would be completely missed if someone were to base their choice of device around what doesn’t have Israeli connections first.
I mean if you base your choice of device around what doesn’t have Israeli connections first that means you’re not getting a phone built on the US/Israeli supply chain, and these do tend to be more secure. There’s a reason Huawei is banned in the US, and the US has been lobbying all the vassals to stop using Huawei gear. It’s not because they’re afraid of Chinese surveillance, but rather because Huawei doesn’t have American backdoors.
From cellebrite’s own documentation (on the first page, of a sales pdf, which was the second or third google result):
Supported devices include Huawei H1611, Xiaomi Mi 5, ZTE Z832 Sonata 3 and ZTE Z981 ZMax Pro
I’m, again, not as familiar with huawei and xiaomi product lines and whatnot as I am with the iphones and pixels so I can’t speak to the popularity of specific ones implicated in just that bullet point and the doc I quoted from is at least seven years old, however I do know that many more chinese devices are accessible with these cop metasploit tools.
The idea that backdoors can be grouped by what nation state intelligence apparatus has control over the manufacturing of the device in question is good reasoning when we have no other information to go off of. In this case though, there is a wealth of information public, leaked and from people who just can’t help but warthunder their classified documents in fights online.
I would never suggest American/israeli tech power should be accepted as a net positive or reasonable compromise. What I want is for people to critically and carefully consider the devices they trust based on what we know about intelligence apparatuses ability to compromise them as opposed to the fog of information war.
I don’t know of any modern soc type semiconductor manufacturer without some Israeli connection at least on the level of what’s described in this article “ cooperation with engineers from … development center in Israel”.
Open to being wrong here but I think even manufacturers of non-soc ics like op amps and ttl and discrete components like transistors and diodes have this degree of connection (I’m thinking specifically of onsemi who make all the Fairchild stuff here!)
There are plenty of them, Huawei, Xiaomi, SMIC just to name a few.
Huawei famously ran an Israel office for a long time, idk about xiaomi but smic usually works in nations they’re sanctioned in through shells like (at least in the past) Israel microwave company.
The point isn’t to find the one pure company but to recognize the reality of semiconductor manufacturing and development at this moment being insanely integrated across every imaginable border and take a more nuanced and serious view of the impact a chip could have on your life than “chip tied to Israel, chip and stuff it’s in bad”
That’s not to say your replies could be reasonably distilled down to that mischaracterization, just that I’m hoping people come away thinking they should think of more than weather something has a tie to the bad country.
But we’re talking about today, not the past. Last I looked, Huawei has no business with Israel right now. China also explicitly told companies to not use US and Israeli tech https://www.reuters.com/world/china/beijing-tells-chinese-firms-stop-using-us-israeli-cybersecurity-software-sources-2026-01-14/
I think it’s absolutely the point to use tech stacks outside US and Israeli control because these are bad actors, and any technology associated with them cannot be trusted.
That’s a pretty recent change, but I take your point that chip manufacturing with no ties to Israel may exist.
To the main point, while it could be a good idea in theory to avoid devices with chips tied to Israel and the us, in practice that would lead people away from iphones and pixels that do best against graphite and cellebrite which would be bad.
I don’t really see a problem with steering people away from iphones, but older pixels with graphineos are probably a safe enough device to own right now.
I mean, if your goal is to make people as safe from the police as possible as simply as possible then the cellebrite and graphite leaks would steer you towards the last few generations of pixels and any iphone that can get the latest os.
That’s not to say graphene isn’t a fantastic choice, I use it daily and it’s secure from law enforcement hardware, just that the leaked capability matrixes consistently indicate that cops can’t break into appropriately secured iphones and specific android phones as well.
Which is really useful knowledge to have and build your behaviors around that would be completely missed if someone were to base their choice of device around what doesn’t have Israeli connections first.
I mean if you base your choice of device around what doesn’t have Israeli connections first that means you’re not getting a phone built on the US/Israeli supply chain, and these do tend to be more secure. There’s a reason Huawei is banned in the US, and the US has been lobbying all the vassals to stop using Huawei gear. It’s not because they’re afraid of Chinese surveillance, but rather because Huawei doesn’t have American backdoors.
From cellebrite’s own documentation (on the first page, of a sales pdf, which was the second or third google result):
I’m, again, not as familiar with huawei and xiaomi product lines and whatnot as I am with the iphones and pixels so I can’t speak to the popularity of specific ones implicated in just that bullet point and the doc I quoted from is at least seven years old, however I do know that many more chinese devices are accessible with these cop metasploit tools.
The idea that backdoors can be grouped by what nation state intelligence apparatus has control over the manufacturing of the device in question is good reasoning when we have no other information to go off of. In this case though, there is a wealth of information public, leaked and from people who just can’t help but warthunder their classified documents in fights online.
I would never suggest American/israeli tech power should be accepted as a net positive or reasonable compromise. What I want is for people to critically and carefully consider the devices they trust based on what we know about intelligence apparatuses ability to compromise them as opposed to the fog of information war.
Most old pixels are about to lose support from grapheneos, if they haven’t already.
they really need to expand the range of phones they support, would be nice if they made it run on some Chinese brands