• hubobes@piefed.europe.pub
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      22 hours ago

      Список підарасів is the Ukrainian equivalent of an enemies list, a common expression for people who have wronged you. The homophobic origin of the word is about as relevant to the meaning as calling someone a bastard is to questioning their parentage. It’s also a mass produced novelty you can buy online for 350 hryvnias, which Babel covered as a lighthearted story and Bohdan publicly joked about. Not exactly how fascists operate their roundup lists.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        21 hours ago

        lmao no that’s not what it means, it means a list of fwords and nobody with even a modicum of intellectual integrity would translate it as a list of bastards. You’re so bad at this. It’s like when you trolls call nazi tattoos Hindu symbols. 🤣

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          Funny how it started as a list of subraces proving ethnic cleansing and is now just a homophobic slur. You moved the goalposts so far you’re in a different stadium. The word derives from педераст, which got slurred into пидорас in Russian street speech, then borrowed into Ukrainian as підарас. At that point it had already lost its literal meaning and became a general insult, the same way bastard stopped meaning someone born out of wedlock and asshole stopped being anatomical. That semantic drift is not a debating trick, it is just how language works, though I understand that might be a new concept.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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            I started with what Firefox translates, but I’m humoring your interpretation which isn’t any better. I didn’t move any goalposts, I’m simply pointing out that no matter how you try to spin this, it’s obviously Budanov referring to people he sees as subhuman. And it’s hilarious how you keep trying to whitewash this. Next, you’re gonna tell me homophobia isn’t prevalent in Ukraine. 🤣

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              You started with Firefox translating it as subraces proving ethnic cleansing. When that fell apart it became a homophobic slur used by fascists. Now it’s about Ukrainian homophobia in general. These are three different arguments. Homophobia being prevalent in Ukraine is a real issue worth discussing, but it has nothing to do with your original claim about ethnic cleansing, which you have now completely dropped.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                No, I said all the other resources I linked proved ethnic cleansing. This was just the cherry on top that I linked much later. Try to keep your story straight. You’ve conflated to completely separate things here being the clown that you are. I didn’t drop anything, I’ve just been addressing your dishonest comments which focused on the notebook. I’ve already repeatedly explained the basis for calling what Ukraine was doing ethnic cleansing. You’re just so bad at trolling. Really should work on that kiddo.

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                  Your resources documented war crimes, which I never denied. War crimes and ethnic cleansing are not the same thing, and none of your sources established systematic intent to remove an ethnic group, which is what ethnic cleansing actually requires. And your cherry on top turned out to be a word that doesn’t even mean what you claimed it meant.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                    Oh they very much do if you bothered engaging with them. But hey you keep on spreading your propaganda to receptive audiences. Clearly you’re very dedicated to whitewashing fascism.