Oh wow, you really think you’ve discovered something groundbreaking here. Yup, nobody has ever heard of contradictions or commodity production under socialism. You’re the first genius to point out that private ownership and wage labor still exist in China. Truly a revelation that would make Marx weep with joy!
The fact that you think socialism means the immediate abolition of every bourgeois relation overnight tells me your understanding of the subject comes from memes and a cursory skimming of a single Wikipedia paragraph. Socialism is not some sort of an utopia handed down from the heavens. It is a transitional society that emerges from capitalism and is therefore stamped with all the birthmarks of the old society. Commodity production, wage differentials, and even the market economy persist precisely because you cannot wave a magic wand and instantaneously create abundance and perfect class consciousness.
China’s gig economy and the hukou system are real problems and nobody with a functioning brain denies that. But the difference between China and a capitalist country is that the state, led by the Communist Party representing the working class, is actively intervening to regulate, reform, and suppress these contradictions. Hokou reforms are a perfect example of this. The food delivery fine you cited, a mere 1.5% of profit, is indeed insufficient and that is a legitimate criticism. But to present that as evidence that China is simply capitalist is to ignore the fact that the government has the legal and political power to improve the situation which is precisely what they are doing. The very fact that the regulator fined them at all, that the public outcry is taken seriously, that the party openly discusses the need to break monopoly capital, is something no bourgeois state would even pretend to do.
You want a socialist society with zero exploitation, zero inequality, and zero contradictions. That is called communism, and it will take a long time to get there. In the meantime, socialist societies are messy, uneven, and full of tensions just like every human society that has ever existed. That is an argument against socialism that only a person with an utterly infantile understanding of politics and economics could make. Your gotcha list just proves you have the analytical depth of a child.
You want a socialist society with zero exploitation, zero inequality, and zero contradictions.
Nah, he’s a Polish nationalist and a debate pervert troll, he want all socialism crash and burn, he just adopts ultra rhetorics because it make him appear as if he was on the left.
is something no bourgeois state would even pretend to do.
You sir, are an idiot. This happens in every damn country.
You want a socialist society with zero exploitation, zero inequality, and zero contradictions
My point is this: If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks looks like a duck, then its a duck. Might be a slightly different duck, but duck nonetheless.
is something no bourgeois state would even pretend to do.
You sir, are an idiot. This happens in every damn country.
You want a socialist society with zero exploitation, zero inequality, and zero contradictions
My point is this: If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks looks like a duck, then its a duck. Might be a slightly different duck, but duck nonetheless.
Wow amazing counterpoint there truly worthy of an edgy 12 year old. Incredible how you can’t comprehend that a socialist society will still have contradictions, but the nature of the government is fundamentally different from one ruled by capitalists. The fact that you reposted that Luxemburg quote shows that you don’t actually understand what she’s saying.
My point is this: you are utterly clueless on the subject you’re attempting to discuss, and you should spend the time to actually learn about it instead of flaunting your ignorance in public and embarrassing yourself.
Oh wow, you really think you’ve discovered something groundbreaking here. Yup, nobody has ever heard of contradictions or commodity production under socialism. You’re the first genius to point out that private ownership and wage labor still exist in China. Truly a revelation that would make Marx weep with joy!
The fact that you think socialism means the immediate abolition of every bourgeois relation overnight tells me your understanding of the subject comes from memes and a cursory skimming of a single Wikipedia paragraph. Socialism is not some sort of an utopia handed down from the heavens. It is a transitional society that emerges from capitalism and is therefore stamped with all the birthmarks of the old society. Commodity production, wage differentials, and even the market economy persist precisely because you cannot wave a magic wand and instantaneously create abundance and perfect class consciousness.
China’s gig economy and the hukou system are real problems and nobody with a functioning brain denies that. But the difference between China and a capitalist country is that the state, led by the Communist Party representing the working class, is actively intervening to regulate, reform, and suppress these contradictions. Hokou reforms are a perfect example of this. The food delivery fine you cited, a mere 1.5% of profit, is indeed insufficient and that is a legitimate criticism. But to present that as evidence that China is simply capitalist is to ignore the fact that the government has the legal and political power to improve the situation which is precisely what they are doing. The very fact that the regulator fined them at all, that the public outcry is taken seriously, that the party openly discusses the need to break monopoly capital, is something no bourgeois state would even pretend to do.
You want a socialist society with zero exploitation, zero inequality, and zero contradictions. That is called communism, and it will take a long time to get there. In the meantime, socialist societies are messy, uneven, and full of tensions just like every human society that has ever existed. That is an argument against socialism that only a person with an utterly infantile understanding of politics and economics could make. Your gotcha list just proves you have the analytical depth of a child.
Nah, he’s a Polish nationalist and a debate pervert troll, he want all socialism crash and burn, he just adopts ultra rhetorics because it make him appear as if he was on the left.
ah so an edgy 12 years old
You sir, are an idiot. This happens in every damn country.
My point is this: If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks looks like a duck, then its a duck. Might be a slightly different duck, but duck nonetheless.
Edit: https://www.reuters.com/business/china-market-regulator-boosts-food-delivery-worker-protections-2021-07-26/ This is 5 yo. The scandal I mentioned happened recently, and in the same scandal it became known that the gig workers are more exploited than 5 years ago.
Ah yes, immediately descending into personal attacks once faced with actual counterpoints to your drivel. Bravo.
You sir, are an idiot. This happens in every damn country.
My point is this: If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks looks like a duck, then its a duck. Might be a slightly different duck, but duck nonetheless.
Wow amazing counterpoint there truly worthy of an edgy 12 year old. Incredible how you can’t comprehend that a socialist society will still have contradictions, but the nature of the government is fundamentally different from one ruled by capitalists. The fact that you reposted that Luxemburg quote shows that you don’t actually understand what she’s saying.
My point is this: you are utterly clueless on the subject you’re attempting to discuss, and you should spend the time to actually learn about it instead of flaunting your ignorance in public and embarrassing yourself.
哈哈哈哈哈哈你肯定没来过中国，别装了大哥
Amazing contribution to the discussion there. Using google translate to make sure we know you’re clown really is a cherry on top.