• benderbeerman@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    The consumption of animal products isn’t the problem.

    It is the exploitation of the production for profits, which is not a choice of the consumer. This is what causes the problems in nature: increases in greenhouse gasses like methane and the inability of our planet to re-uptake carbon through the reckless destruction of carbon locking plant life environments like oceans and forests, etc all.

    You can point fingers at people who want to eat meat all you want but personal responsibility is incapable of balancing out the atrocities that are rewarded thru capitalism. This is intentional, and it is being perpetuated by the ones being rewarded for it. The rich.

    If you think for one minute that not eating animal products is going to resolve these issues, then you’re deluding yourself.

    There is nothing wrong with not eating animal products, if you can afford to live like that. But be honest with yourself about the realities that others experience; both those who can’t afford to or just don’t want to live like that, and the ones exploiting the world’s resources for personal gain. There is a huge difference in culpability between these groups.

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      The consumption of animal products isn’t the problem. It is the exploitation of the production for profits

      Greenhouse gases aren’t created through exploitation, but by the pure existence of the animals. Even if we hypothetically held all animals under perfect conditions (which is impossible anyhow due to lack of land and ressources), it doesn’t significantly reduce the greenhouse gases. If you want to lower the emmissions, people must lower and ideally stop the consumption.

      You can point fingers at people who want to eat meat

      I don’t fingerpoint at omnivores. I fingerpoint at people who claim that people consuming animal products is only the fault of some third party rich people. We know that veganism helps the planet in many aspects. If you decide to live different that’s OK, but it’s your choice.

      if you can afford to live like that.

      Unless you’re a Mongolian shepard in an area where soil and weather allow nothing but grass and goats or you live off food donations only, that’s not true. For people who buy their food in supermarkets, veganism isn’t more expensive than an omnivore diet. If you live off basic ingredients rather than comfort food, it’s usually rather cheaper.

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        “Greenhouse gasses aren’t created through exploitation”

        This is the most obtuse statement you could possibly make for your argument. Exploitation of resources is the single biggest cause of greenhouse gas accumulation in the world today. You clearly lack an understanding of the causes and sources of greenhouse gasses.

        “I don’t fingerpoint at omnivores”
        And “… people must lower and ideally stop [animal product] consumption.”

        These are mutually exclusive statements. One cannot be true while stating the other at the same time.

        “Unless you’re a Mongolian shepherd…”

        This^ is the beginning of one of the most privileged, bigoted, ignorant, vapid, dishonest, and ridiculous statements you’ve ever uttered in your life.

        “if you live off basic ingredients rather than comfort food, it’s usually cheaper.”

        Blaming individual people again for costing themselves too much by trying to be comfortable. Yet still unwilling to blame the groups who literally destroy the world to enrich themselves off it’s resources and rob us of our future in doing so… financially, environmentally, spiritually, physically. All so they can add another decimal point to their uncountable dragon’s hoard office wealth.

        This exploitation is the cause of almost all of our problems, and it isn’t perpetuated by consumers. It is perpetuated by the elite and propaganda that people like yourself regurgitate that puts the onus on the poor, and allows you to live guilt free in some ideal fantasy in your own head because you’re doing your part and everyone else just needs to live by your rules.

        You sound like a corporate shill. A capitalist apologist. An entitled individual of privilege who lacks empathy and culture, but not lacking in the time and money to go to nice grocery stores for ingredients you can craft into healthy, balanced, wholesome meals.

        Regardless of who you are versus who you sound like, you are incapable of making reasonable arguments. Best of luck convincing people of your opinion when you can’t see where they’re coming from. Have a nice day.