I switched from Gmail to Proton, but now with everything coming out about Proton I’m switching from them too. I started using Posteo which I like but a lot of my accounts having to do with money and finance (including my bank) aren’t accepting the Posteo email. They have rejected it over and over and even locked me out stating that I was hacked.
Do you guys have any recommendations for email providers to use that also won’t send red flags to my more official accounts?
If it helps, I’m US-based.
Serious starting to wonder if all this vague, anti-Proton misinformation-posting isn’t just some Google-backed astroturfing campaign
It’s not a conspiracy, Proton is a shit company. But, by all means give them your money for security theatre.
You say that, but nobody ever really has any proof. It’s always just vague aspersions (like yours) or misinformation spread by non-technical people who don’t really understand how any of the technology involved works, so they make assumptions and upset themselves when Proton can’t deliver on their imaginary assumptions.
I can practically see the unwritten half of your comment now: “Might as well keep using Gmail. Just consume. Don’t think”
Proof of what? That they are a profit based company that engages in security theatre marketing to sell their service. This is self evident. I find Protards especially suspicious when they can’t accept this basic fact.
Every single email provider from Switzerland has to follow the law. Pretending their service has something over other services when they just follow the law is kind of ridiculous. This is marketing and it sucks.
Companies sell images and Proton, being a major corporation, is no different. People think throwing money is going to solve their problem and Proton is happy to stroke this feeling to make profit.
For me, I liken it to advertising your company is bonded. In California they have recognized that this is a deceptive marketing practice and made it illegal for businesses to do it. If Proton just advertised we follow swiss law like every email provider in this country it would be accurate. Instead they create security theatre to attract users.
A great example of this is their recent credit card scandal where it was revealed that they they store meta data on transactions needlessly. They claim privacy, but yet they store your private information on their servers. They don’t disclose this actively and it is a serious violation of privacy.
Proton’s answer is always the same lame garbage along the lines that anonymity is not privacy and then they try to explain how you can protect yourself. The truth is their service does not respect privacy in some regards. You point out their technology is pretty solid. Sure, but that is not my issue with them.
My issue is they pretend to be all about privacy, but then they store your personal information and it is YOUR fault. Like the end user is supposed to magically know they do this and somehow protect themselves when the problem is with Proton itself.
What is coming out of proton? Honest question.
The recent controversies probably regarding Support of far Right social media
I’m also in the US and using Posteo. I’ve never had any issues (that I recall) with the address being rejected. Have you tried using a Posteo-provided alias with a different domain?
Consider getting your own domain name and pointing it at a provider, then when they enshittify you just switch provider and don’t have to change all your emails everywhere again.
This is how I use Proton. The setup process is really easy with clear instructions on what to configure in your DNS provider.
The only problem I have is that gmail rejects emails from my domain, I have to use proton’s address.You need to build up reputation before you can beat spam filters. This happens all the time to new domains. Make sure to have Dmarc and Dkim configured.
How do I build up reputation? Should I keep trying to send from that domain even if it gets rejected?
I have all the DNS things configured as per Proton’s instructions.
Well, that sucks. Guess you must hate the people who reject you. What domain? yy?
Yes, but normally I don’t send a lot of emails anyway.
If I send to any @gmail.com address, it’s rejected, unless I change the From to my @proton.me
Huh I never thought about this. This is something I’ll have to do some research on, thanks.
Go for it. It’s surprisingly easy, relatively inexpensive and gives you way more control.
Well proven strategy, to the point where most providers explicitly allow it (might even be a decider). But don’t trust me (genuinely), Moar research! (please)).
BRILLIANT!!!
BRILLIANT
Well… it has advantages, for sure. Also drawbacks. A custom domain, that ties together all your separate email addresses.
There are let’s say 16 addresses on mysuperbestnumberonemail dot com. One used at a bank, one on a shopping site, 4 on a social media site, and one each at some utilities. Those are the ONLY uses of that domain for email in the whole world.
Where if it’s a domain millions of others use, then addresses are harder to pinpoint down to one person.
That might matter to someone. Or it might not. Depends on what you care about. Just something to be aware of. A custom domain is a huge fingerprinting signal.
I would advise mainly using a generic {hello,mail,<domain>}@domain.tld as that reduces the bits of information that can be gained about its use®, and consider WHOIS data. Most registrars hide that information from the public but it’s still subject to court orders - always check what legislation a given TLD falls under. There are also some registrars that are fully anonymous.
Proton’s a good alternative.
There’s some confused allegations of them being MAGA Facists. But it’s a combination of misunderstanding and misrepresentation.There’s some confused allegations of them being MAGA Facists. But it’s a combination of misunderstanding and misrepresentation.
funny how they’re the only ones in this space that keeps making this mistake
Is it funny?
By a sizeable margin they’re the largest and most popular in the space. At the same time, that makes them the biggest target and most watched.Someone even mentioned a possible smear campaign by Google. While there’s no evidence at all of that, they would be the most obvious target.
So it’s not really funny or odd in any way. It’s kind of obvious really.
tuta seems to avoid making this “mistake” and it too has a sizeable following as well as a full complement of privacy respecting services that can rival proton.
They realy aren’t, and don’t.
Tuta doesn’t have even half the user base, or services.They aren’t bad at all. And I don’t doubt they’ll get there.
But they aren’t at all close yet.
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Just stick with proton. Email isn’t secure and it doesn’t matter what the company does.
I must be out of the loop. What’s the issue with Proton?
I think they sponsored a right-wing French Youtuber, but they publicly apologised and said they didn’t know his political alignment.
Is that the whole thing? Genuinely asking.
That is the whole thing.
Seems…pretty thin tbh. I’m not ready to throw baby out with bathwater just yet.
Same. No idea what OP is talking about and I’m usually up to speed on stuff. Nobody has answered either so it’s probably an old article from a couple months ago about that cia inquiry or whatever (can’t recall). Idk what else. They always have a bad rep here, but it’s better than pretty much everything else, minus maybe a few one-offs.
I haven’t heard anything about it either, so am wondering if this is just good old fashioned muckraking.
There is absolutely no evidence for it. He went to lobby in DC, and apparently, some GOP folks had time for him but Dems didn’t. Could have been the opposite on different day based on several factors.
Then recently, the marketing firm they hired put a sponsorship on a far right guy’s video. They accepted full accountability for the mistake and said they would change procedures to get those being sponsored vetted appropriately.
Neither one of these are evidence of being MAGA. You can personally lobby in DC and find an individual of an opposite party who might have interest in your message. Just because Grainger played a commercial during satanic music videos doesn’t mean they are Dimmu Borgir fans. It just means people who listen to metal need tools too.
They guy might be a fascist dick for all I know. I’m just saying that the situations above do not indicate that it is the case. In fact, fascists typically never admit fault or accept accountability for anything. The only concern for me is that he was lobbying in the US at all, but that is the only way you can get your case heard sometimes if you need politicians to hear a different side of an argument.
@mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works proton keeps publicly dog whistling fascists/maga and – hopefully – by accident.
I thought it was the X posts from 2023 or 2024 supporting Drumph or the GOP.
Edit: It was mostly misunderstanding, at least on the topic I thought it was about. I know their stance on privacy may be in question still.
Found a source https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/ And another: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
that’s how it started and it escalated to proton itself paying a french fascist to make a video a few days ago.
I was just reading their response to that. I skipped down to the part where they said their ad buys are sort of not their fault? lol
Edit: added link
I skipped down to the part where they said their ad buys are sort of not their fault? lol
don’t you just hate it when your money spends itself all on its own and w/o your control? lol
Most definitely
Found it
Tuta is awesome. You can try their free tier for an unlimited time, so no need to rush it.
Ive been really considering Tuta as my next choice. Do you find it difficult or easy to use for your accounts like bills/finance/important?
For me it works almost perfect. Once an alias with the @tuta.io Domain got denied, elsewise I am happy. Might depend on the TLD you choose.
I used tuta for a long time ans never had any issues. I recently switched only because I wanted to be able to send emails from my self hosted services ans they don’t support anything but they’re own clients. If that’s not a problem for you the tuta is a great option.
I’ve also used Tuta. Just gonna point out that some shopping sites didn’t accept my Tuta email. I haven’t used it with financial stuff tho so can’t comment on that.
I’d love input on this too. I went all in on Proton and it’s aging like milk.
it’s aging like milk.
Becoming cheese?
What trust are you expecting to get out of an ancient and inherently insecure protol to begin with?
I use disroot.org, it’s free and pretty good. Not as much inbox space as those that are either free or from corpos tho. Should be alright as long as you delete useless mails.
Proton, Tuta, Murena…
I like and use Migadu.
Yea I’m happy at Migadu as well, it’s been 2 years since the switch, not a single hiccup.
Interesting, never heard of that before, I’ll check it out
Servers are not in Sweden I thought.
Been using fastmail for ~8 years now. No complaints
