yeah i know JK Rowling has said and done awful things to the trans community, but you really shouldn’t making posts wishing for their death or celebrating that you told them to suck on a shotgun. it’s not productive and makes allies and the trans community look criminally derange.
the better thing to do is to promote the trans community and show trans are normal people that do fun things like drag shows.
yeah didn’t i pissed off a mod so much that they banned me from other till a week later. also i think my bans are hilarious.
yeah talking about me getting banned always gets me hilarious reactions. but feel free to explain why i deserve it
you fucking liberals are a disease
You’re not wrong but this is kind of one of them Bobby Hill memes where they can’t read…
But the place you chose to do this… I don’t think you can read either.
Let them have their safe spaces. You don’t go into vegan communities and talk about how great carnivore is… Even though you may not be technically wrong…
PTB. But the kys insult is the most stupid insult I ever heard. When people tell it to me I laugh.
YDI.
yeah i know JK Rowling has said and done awful things to the trans community, but
buddy, it ends right there
You went into a trans friendly space, witnessed trans people talking badly about a transphobic person who wishes we didn’t exist and puts forth large sums of money to try and make us not exist, and then told said trans people that they “shouldn’t wish harm on people” YDM.
and show trans are normal people
What planet are you from? Do you think that “normal people” are supposed to be accepting towards with those who are trying to erase them from everyday life and make their existence as difficult and unpleasant as possible. Fuck you! Trans people do not need to be quiet and convenient for you. This manner of tone policing doesn’t accomplish anything except attempt to silence the voices of trans people who are hurting and being hurt.
I’m gonna cut through your bs and just say you need to accept that there’s racist, bigots, contrarians, and transphobes out there.
If you want to change the world then you’re gonna have to do hard work and explain what being transgender and the trans community is to actual transphobes and you’ll have to do it without telling jk Rowling to suck on a shotgun
Who gets offended at the term “normal people” did we persecute people for being normal or something?
Who gets offended at the term “normal people” did we persecute people for being normal or something?
in marginalized spaces we work to recognize that “normal” is only perceived as “normal” because of an established hegemony of violence. you perceive yourself as normal because of your privelege. we ask you, in our spaces, to leave that at the door. that you perceive this as persecution is telling. i’m starting to think this was never about you being uncomfortable with encouraging self harm and suicide, but instead the surrounding ways that you engage with minority issues.
you may not percieve yourself to be a bigot, and maybe you aren’t, but not being a bigot isn’t the bar you need to clear to be welcomed by marginalized people. you need to be an active anti-bigot. comments like what i quoted above are indicative that you are not quite there yet.
Have you considered that you might be a structural bigot and net negative force on the world?
You shouldn’t. You’re not. You’re great. Its the damn tr… People confused about their genders who are wrong. How dare they be so rude to you, a guest in their space! As if they have no concept of Hospitality!
Eh. You walked into a community who’re being stomped by a government boot and trying to cope with the injustice however they can. You tell em its not healthy to wish for the boot owner to die, or that it’s a bad look. And, like, you may be right, but you can see how neither is in their top 10 problems right now.
If someone is going through a major external crisis, nitpicking about their behaviour isn’t gonna garner you much sympathy.
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Free speech mofos when somebody is being rude: 👢
You’re allowed to wish bad things on people taking away your unalienable rights, it’s pretty human. Not everyone can do the jesus thing.
No one is right to tone police trans people when we’re literally being exterminated by these people. OP learned the lesson that safe spaces for trans people are hostile towards bigots and their apologists.
I remember once after the first time I got raped my mom told me to consider that the doctor who’d done it was a person to. A person with a life. Turns out they were friends. It really made me think. I don’t know how much longer it would have taken for me to calm down without that! So maybe if you can’t chill you should be drowned in liquid nitrogen and crushed into tiny shattery bits by a giant pneumatic hammer.
Yeah it’s not mentally healthy to do that. Idk why you think propagandizing would Change my opinion.
I did say meet them with compassion and understanding, but those words never reached you
I remember once after the first time I got raped my mom told me to consider that the doctor who’d done it was a person to. A person with a life. Turns out they were friends. It really made me think. I don’t know how much longer it would have taken for me to calm down without that! So maybe if they can’t chill they should be drowned in liquid nitrogen and crushed into tiny shattery bits by a giant pneumatic hammer. Empathetically.
Which of this is propaganda lmao, I was showing you why the mods reaction is a normal human behavior and which way a person’s sympathy would lie. I mean you did ask 🤷♀️
Considering one of your other mod actions is for wishing “school shootings happened at a insurance facilities”, I really don’t think you were arguing in good faith here, complaining about people wishing for someone’s death.
so why arent you giving the full quote…? what does good faith arguing have to do with anything? its still mentally unhealthy to tell people to kill themselves regardless of my joke about derange mass shooters picking schools full of children to kill and not insurance facilities full of adults that do heinous shit like deny victims of stage 4 cancer insurance claims
so why arent you giving the full quote…?
The full quote is literally just 3 additional words, but sure, here it is:
Damn if only school shootings happened at a insurance facilities
My point is that you only take the moral high ground when it’s Rowling, but otherwise seem to be perfectly fine with wishing death upon other people. This certainly makes you seem like a, as the modlog put it, “Rowling Stan”.
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I like how you never explain why you didn’t give the full quote, but I’ll accept that I’ll never get that.
I didn’t give the full quote so I could integrate your quote into my sentence. As everyone can see by the full quote, leaving out the 3 words in the beginning didn’t change the quote’s meaning. I can add a […] next time if you want to hold me to academic standards, but then I’ll also add a [sic] after your grammatical errors.
Yeah the wording clearly didn’t match up. Really I should have gone easier on you for not seeing the clashing format and the weird logic, and the removal of original context behind the full quote.
You were some guy looking for a fight
I’m not looking for a fight. If you don’t want to be judged by other users, I’d suggest not posting here as that’s the entire point of the community.
They weren’t hoping for feedback. They were hoping to use this community to lampoon blahaj.zone for banning them, and maybe also get the ban reversed from community pressure. The way they’ve been responding makes it clear they weren’t doing this in good faith.
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Nah. JK Rowling can go take a swan dive off a cliff.
Well buddy that’s still a mental ill thing to come out and say and seems like you don’t want to help out other people… Or you can’t… Eh
Well buddy
We’re not buddies.
I dont think you are qualified to make statements about mental health in that way. People disagreeing with you has nothing to do with their mental health.
I know what you mean. After a protest (I did not attend, I was just nearby) I once walked up to a street medic covered in bruises saying absolutely terrible things about the police. I told them to remember that cops are people too and they just screamed at me and pointed at a lump on someone’s head. Those shrill wokes will just not communicate with civility. We should exterminate them, for a comfier world🥰.
Cool story bro. How did you get the bruises?
Oh. Not mine. I was fine. Some tummy hurt later, I think maybe the chef wasn’t 100% contamination-free on the gluten free pizza I was there for. Weird screamy jerk was covered in bruises and abrasions. So unreasonable and freaky looking. I had the same question actually, what do you even so to get so many bruises? Must’ve been something pretty bad. It looked like everybody had been messy-crying. Those people are all hysterical.
Im being hostile on a post where I said we should have compassion and understanding. I still want people to embrace the trans community and a handful of Lemmy users and a few mods won’t change that
You asked a story doubting injuries you thought I had (you misread, they were not my injuries, but dude, dick move if they had been). I clarified and added detail to the story to clarify why I told it.
And I’m the rude one?
Being anti-violence is never wrong. We are not arbiters of life and we should not wish for the death of any person.
To clarify: I would not shed a tear if certain people died. In fact, I’m not even anti-violence. But I don’t wish for anyone’s death nor do I advocate for or seek for violence.
Leave logic at the doorstep when going into communities. All communities have their biases, unfortunately, and this is just one way it’ll show up. If you go against the mores of a group you’ll get banned, have your comments removed etc.
I am in favour of non-violence and can understand where they’re coming from in this case, being another demographic that is persecuted similarly. It’s a case of reverse discrimination gone to its extreme (i.e. wanting their death). One could argue it’s fair because the people on the other side (JK Rowling) want the same, and worse, are actively funding anti-trans legislation. This type of persecution kills.
Emotionally, it’s justified, although I know and agree that it doesn’t really help or resolve anything. Wanting Rowling dead doesn’t save dead or dying trans people. Reverse discrimination isn’t useful and isn’t something I’d aspire to, but it depends on what stage someone is in of going through shit, their current environment, and also just what they value in general.
I’ve found that moderators in general aren’t typically mature and censor anything that bothers them even if it isn’t a logical decision (note that I am not saying X group of people has to “forgive” another group to be mature).
This took place on a trans instance, that explicitly exists to provide a space for trans people that puts their needs and safety first. It has a zero tolerance policy for transphobia, for defending transphobes, for “just asking questions” transphobia etc.
And because of the nature of the fediverse, folk who don’t want that experience have many other instances to choose from.
It’s a specifically chosen and enforced policy.
Being opposed to telling transphobes to end their lives isn’t transphobic.
Though I agree that migrating is the way to deal w unjustified bans.
Unfortunately, you fell afoul of the most common of forum errors. You didn’t check the community.
Now, while that community doesn’t have a rule about that twat, and has rules against that kind of rhetoric in general (as in violent rhetoric), you do have a degree of responsibility of vibe checking a place before you jump in.
You also have to take into account instances on the fediverse. You can’t just roll into .ml and preach capitalism, and you can’t go into a blahaj and defend a known bigot. It’s never going to end well.
I do think the ban was a tad much overall, though a temporary cool off one would have been fine. A temp ban based on the tone and phrasing of your comments would be totally justified.
And the reason given was absolutely bullshit. Rowling stan does nothing useful, it just sets up an antagonistic paradigm of mod vs users instead of a controlled curation.
Despite that, I can’t see a PTB being the right call, but it wasn’t a total YDI either. The extent of the action was too far, but done in good faith despite that
I think links to / screenshots of context and the specific comments would be helpful in judging this. Also this might even get removed because those are missing.
If it gets removed it probably won’t be only because of that.
Here’s their modlog though for posterity:
Turns out talking over trans people and then tone policing us when we talk about our issues won’t go over well and will get you kicked out of their spaces.
If it gets removed it probably won’t be only because of that
Yeah I read OPs comments in this thread and that will probably happen.
