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  • Unfortunately, you fell afoul of the most common of forum errors. You didn’t check the community.

    Now, while that community doesn’t have a rule about that twat, and has rules against that kind of rhetoric in general (as in violent rhetoric), you do have a degree of responsibility of vibe checking a place before you jump in.

    You also have to take into account instances on the fediverse. You can’t just roll into .ml and preach capitalism, and you can’t go into a blahaj and defend a known bigot. It’s never going to end well.

    I do think the ban was a tad much overall, though a temporary cool off one would have been fine. A temp ban based on the tone and phrasing of your comments would be totally justified.

    And the reason given was absolutely bullshit. Rowling stan does nothing useful, it just sets up an antagonistic paradigm of mod vs users instead of a controlled curation.

    Despite that, I can’t see a PTB being the right call, but it wasn’t a total YDI either. The extent of the action was too far, but done in good faith despite that
















  • Aight, that’s a great response :)

    What I’m taking away from that is that the method is more like what auto mod on reddit did than a separate piece of software running. That, as such, it’s something admins have full control over beyond just choosing to have it in place or not; as in an llm would be a closed box with limited ability to influence what goes on inside. And that it’s serving pretty much as a filter as opposed to an automated decision maker.

    Which is exactly what the fediverse needs tbh, assuming I’m understanding what’s being used correctly.

    With that assumption in place, my only remaining “bullshit” is in a little more transparency on exactly what it is. Not the details of keywords and such that would allow bots to easily bypass, but as in whether it’s some kind of custom built code y’all have put together, vs an externally sourced program. If it’s external, then it should definitely be made known where it comes from so that prospective users can make a decision based on that.



  • It’s not power tripping, as you said in a comment.

    But it is bullshit, and they can fuck right off with the “too much detail, done locally” shit.

    Look, I’m all for auto mod tools. I’ve been vocal about it being why I would never mod a large community on the fediverse. There’s just too much assholery online to not have a tool that filters out the assholes before anyone else is exposed to it.

    But, with reddit, anyone could look at the documentation on what auto mod could do. You knew, if you wanted, what was an wasn’t possible. You could easily figure out why your comment or post ran afoul of it. Despite the complaints aboue its misuse, it was the thing that made modding a subreddit halfway bearable. And, when used appropriately, it made being part of a sub a much better experience.

    But this? The lack of transparency about what’s going on, what the tool does, how it does it, just ain’t cool. It flies in the face of what the fediverse is supposed to be.

    It’s llm/ai surveillance without even source available access so a given user can decide to opt the fuck out.

    Like I said, a tool like that is a good thing, not a bad one. But not being open is abhorrent for this use.

    Edit: for any stragglers, do read the responses made by people from the instance in question before raising any hell. They seem to be on board with providing good info to possible new users and informing current users that might object.