• toofpic@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Oh, Russia and North Korea did really made some leaps - look at them now, such great places to leave!

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      9 hours ago

      Russian living standards were comparable to the west under the USSR despite not having the plundered wealth of the global south to prop them up. Modern Russia’s conditions are entirely due to its embrace of capitalism.

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        8 hours ago

        despite not having the plundered wealth of the global south

        yeah, they plundered all the lands they were supposed to liberate from the russian empire instead

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          Plundered them by building schools and homes.

          Russian chauvanism was an issue with the USSR, but you can’t just pretend they were the same as their western counterparts who had entirely different social and economic pressures determining their actions.

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            I’m sure all those school and homes were really helpful in 1930s Ukraine. Oh, and can’t forget Poland. And all the indigenous peoples in North Asia were really grateful at still being part of the empire.

            The same as their western counterparts? Well, if we go by Nazi collaboration and ethnic cleansing levels, it was pretty damn close. If we go by history rewriting levels, Soviets did so much of it there are even people today that insist they were a net positive. Such as yourself.

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        8 hours ago

        He’s delusional, take him to the infirmary! 😂

        by the way, I know this will be sad for you to hear but the soviet union collapsed! I know I know, it’s sad, only 30 years ago, too soon 🥲

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          You really need to work on your reading comprehension. The collapse of the USSR was a bad thing for every country involved. Have you seen modern Russia?

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            Have you seen the USSR?

            The Holodomor,[a] also known as the Ukrainian famine,[8][9][b] was a massive man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

            But during his visit, Yeltsin insisted on an impromptu visit to a mid-sized Texan supermarket called Randall’s before heading to the airport. He wanted to see what the average American shopping experience looked like, without tour guides and diplomats to airbrush the experience for him — and what he found shocked him to his core.

            “When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with despair for the Soviet people.” — Yeltsin’s autobiography

            On the flight home, he apparently said with his head buried in his hands, raging at the lies of Soviet propaganda and how his country was betraying the working class. An aid who was with him on that flight home reckoned it was when the last traces of Bolshevism left him.

            https://readmedium.com/how-a-texas-supermarket-helped-defeat-communism-953543403aa9

            Sounds fuckin amazing m8

            They should show this to you kids still in school, this is a miracle of production, the humble supermarket, you don’t think twice about it, but in the USSR this was considered incredible

            Have you seen modern Russia?

            Yeah I seen it, I seen it trying to take back Ukraine real hard and Ukraine telling the USSR to fuck right off we don’t want your shitty little union, it sucked enough the first time around (see Holodomor)

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      11 hours ago

      I’d like to thank Communism for making me realise how good I have it :)

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            9 hours ago

            You think the workers own the means of production in North Korea? Cause I’m pretty sure that’s glorious leader who does

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              8 hours ago

              You mean this one?

              The Workers’ Party of Korea (WPK)[a] is the ruling party of North Korea. Founded in 1949 from a merger between the Workers’ Party of North Korea and the Workers’ Party of South Korea, the WPK is the oldest active party in Korea. It also controls the Korean People’s Army, North Korea’s armed forces. The WPK is the largest party represented in the Supreme People’s Assembly and coexists with two other legal parties that are completely subservient to the WPK and must accept the WPK’s “leading role” as a condition of their existence. Kim Jong Un is the current party leader, serving as General Secretary of the WPK.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Party_of_Korea

              😅

              But like I said, here’s a bit of AI for you, feel free to fact check it:

              Marx and Engels described communism as the final stage of human society, emerging after:

              Capitalism collapses due to its internal contradictions (e.g., class struggle, overproduction).

              Marx assumed this would happen naturally in advanced capitalist societies (e.g., Germany, UK) with strong worker movements.

              Instead, communism was imposed by force in pre-industrial, agrarian societies (e.g., Russia, China, Cuba) where the conditions Marx described didn’t exist.

              And as I said in my first reply: https://aussie.zone/comment/23631616

              How ironic that China/Russia/North Korea etc instead decided to leap on it and realise that it sucks instead

              or tldr: I’m sure capitalism will collapse any day now 🤣