What the fuck is it with Russians and swastikas? Didn’t they kill more of each other than anyone else in World War II? Twisted.
People forget the whole Russia helping the Nazis thing. They only separated because Germany wanted their land too not due to ideological conflicts.
Well no, there were also serious ideological conflicts. They were both genocidal ethnic supremacist authoritarians though, so Russians are taught that the primary thing the Nazis did wrong was attack Russia, but not the reason why they attacked Russia.
You cannot possibly say that they did not have ideological conflicts when like half of Nazi rhetoric was about how communism was ontologically evil and also a jewish plot. Like Hitler’s explicit position was that slavic people should be wiped from existence or at least permenantly enslaved. The Soviets knew this when they were the last to sign a non-aggression pact. Hell, they knew this many years before that.
The Soviets understood fascism to be ideologically opposed to their existence and the fascist understood communism to be a threat to the continued private ownership of production from which their real power was sourced. They could not have been more ideologically opposed. I am assuming you think they are not because both visibly wield their authority internally?
if I used the word “oversimplification” here in context, it might rip a hole in the universe.
but, yeah.
Fascism is a clown outfit anybody can wear.
Before that they were allied.
A non-aggression pact is not an alliance.
lol, I know.
Worst. Breakup. Ever.
This is projection propaganda, mind the source.
Leave it to .ml to defend kleptocratic, capitalist Russia 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Go off and read Sputnik and RT, you brainwashed useful idiot.
So what? I am sure Ukraine has some number of nazis like anywhere else, the difference is the russian military is a wholistically a human rights crisis pretending it is a professional military. The entire structure of the russian military is fascist.
Also, NOT the same as a human body cut into the shape of a nazi swastika.
edit for anyone curious how inhumane and systematic the humans rights violations of the russian military are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)
And I’m the brainwashed one…
Hey asshole why don’t you sign up to be a russian soldier? Why not?
Is it because you know you would be beaten and abused and then sent with no warning and no training to die in a mass meatwave assault on the frontline? Or even better maybe you get injured because russia doesn’t give a shit about medevac and you die a slow but just as pointless death?
The numbers don’t lie, the russian military is a fascist machine completely unconcerned with human life, even the human lives of their own soldiers. There is also overwhelming evidence the russian military purposefully targets civilians and non-combatants, which is also fascist.
More projection, we’ve all seen the busification videos from Ukraine. Who are you lying to? We’ve all seen Russian attacks going out of their way to spare civilians while Ukraine attacks schools… You’re a racist russophobe and you should be ashamed of yourself. Go help your Azov bros in the trenches coward.
Do you know what a sane person would say is an acceptable number of Nazis in your “army”? 0
Didn’t they kill more of each other
who?
The Nazis and the Russians. I’d actually have to check the numbers on this, but I’m pretty sure that the Nazis and the Russians killed more of each other than any other belligerents in World War II. By a lot.
I might be misremembering this, but I think it’s one of the reasons why Eisenhower let the Soviets take Berlin, because it would help with post war diplomacy.
Because Germany and russia both refused to evolve their military tactics past a certain point and the ideology of both countries saw their soldiers as worthless and disposable, the loss of life on the German and russian sides was incomprehensibly big.
Europe has a fatal obsession with meat wave assaults that has so far largely shown itself incapable of letting go of, Ukraine’s military being the exception that Europe is still reluctant to learn from.
I believe this comes from a long history in Europe of incestous royalty fighting wars against each other where the pummeling and obliteration of the peasant class on both sides was a boon for the ruling class on both sides. War was a safe way to cull populist energy from the lower classes without threatening the power of the ruling class. Winning efficiently wasn’t really the point.
It took the indigenous peoples of the US kicking the US army’s ass to break the US out of that dead end of fighting philosophy.
Ukraine broke this longstanding unspoken rule of war among the European ruling class.
The distinctly brutal nature of warfare on the Eastern Front was exemplified by an often willful disregard for human life by both sides. It was also reflected in the ideological premise for the war, which saw a momentous clash between two directly opposed ideologies.
Aside from the ideological conflict, the mindframe of the leaders of Germany and the Soviet Union, Hitler and Stalin, respectively, contributed to the escalation of terror and murder on an unprecedented scale. Stalin and Hitler both disregarded human life in order to achieve their goal of victory. This included the terrorisation of their own people, as well as mass deportations of entire populations. All these factors resulted in tremendous brutality both to combatants and civilians that found no parallel on the Western Front
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)
https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/eastern-front-ww2-what-went-wrong-why/
Actually a large portion (>60%) of the Russian deaths by Nazi hands were civilian. Over 7 million (compared to the 8.7 million military deaths) were a direct result of the Nazi extermination policy while 2.5 million died in labor camps and 4 ish million starved. (Estimates vary from historian to historian but these are the wikipedia numbers) The Russians didn’t have a high casualty count because they “didn’t care about their soldiers” and “practiced meat wave assaults.” They had a high casualty count because the Nazis wanted to exterminate them and were honestly quite good at it sometimes. You are perpuating anti-communist myths created by people intent on reducing the USSRs popularity immediately following their liberation of Europe from fascism.
I’ll give it to you that the Red Army made risky moves that got people killed unnecessarily but I think your analysis as to why is superficial and idealist.
Your argument doesn’t make sense, the casualties on the russian side were massive before capture even came into the picture.
The argument you should have gone with is that russia was starved of materials from Barbarossa, especially artillery so russia had to rely on brutally inefficient infantry tactics in the absence of proper combined arms support but even that doesn’t explain the casualness towards throwing away human lives the russian military had/has.
Yes the meatwave tropes are reductive but the reality is russia is attrocious at war and that hasn’t really changed.
their military tactics past a certain point and the ideology of both countries saw their soldiers as worthless and disposable
this specific tactic was known as Attrition Warfare
Attrition warfare is a form of military strategy in which one side attempts to gradually wear down its opponent to the point of collapse by inflicting continuous losses in personnel, material, and morale.[1] The term attrition is derived from the Latin word atterere, meaning “to wear down” or “to rub against”, reflecting the grinding nature of the strategy.[2][3]
The last major war fought with this as the dominant strategy was World War I (in the style of trench warfare), most preeminently at the Battle of the Somme. While World War II was begun with this strategy, it quickly fell off, with battle groups and lines breaking off into smaller, more mobile, and more versatile combat groups, pioneered by American commando units which could rapidly outmaneuver enemy troop deployments.
Germany of course pioneered blitzkrieg warfare in large part but the thing is you can teach fascists how to fight effectively all you want, they will always unlearn it in favor of fighting in a way that alligns with their aesthetics and ideology that drew them to violence in the first place.
Russia and Germany were happy to do this together even as in many ways fighting efficiency increased, neither side on the Eastern Front gave a shit about human life.
You are correct. This video helps visualise the quantities, it’s nuts:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKPFT-RioU&t=285s I’ve put a time jump to the relevant part but if it doesn’t work go to 4:45
death toll of capitalism
What?
