“Mass surveillance had never stopped a single terrorist attack in more than 10 years of operation, in the United States.” They even view your porn habits… This was from 2016, think how advanced things are now within the 10 years after this.

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    Wow, people are waking up now that it’s too late… and after 10 years, they’re suddenly interested in what Snowden revealed back then…
    Slow clap—bravo, really…
    In 5 or 10 years, people will surely be interested in WikiLeaks, too…

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      I think it’s great that this continues to wake interest. If anyone is wondering, the surveillance is worse today.

      Now that the US is an enemy to western Europe, maybe we can pull the plug on X-keyscore and their other shit at our internet exchange points.

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        So you’re saying “Fuck off, Chelsea Elizabeth Manning.” Fuck off, truthful leaks that were even from before 2016… So you’re saying “Fuck off” because you’re acting like a puppet. Okay

        I hope you have a lot of fun with Objection when the time comes—keyword: Peter Thiel. (Maybe Look Up Objection… ;) )

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          I’m saying, fuck off with using information to turn public opinion into a weapon against political rivals.

          wikileaks had the email and benghazi data months before the start of the 2016 campaign but continued to “trickle” information about it that allowed Donald Trump to get elected.

          I’m absolutely certain they also had information about the Epstein files as well, but that didn’t come to light until almost a decade later and the public is still not fully aware of what happened today.

          so yeah. fuck wikileaks. they’re just a front for Russian intelligence and was leveraged to destabilize world democracy.

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            That’s really, really stupid… Sure, you can hate WikiLeaks for it, but to say “fuck off” to the truth that was leaked anyway is just stupid. It doesn’t change anything about the published data itself—those are completely different issues.

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              “the truth” has no motives, only people and organizations do.

              what wikileaks did and does is leverage the truth to manipulate opinions and outcomes.

              what you’re basically admitting to is that you’re willing to be manipulated because the ends justify the means.

              if that’s not the most fucked up perspective I’ve ever had the displeasure of wrapping my mind around, I don’t know what could be worse.

              take your brainrot ideas somewhere else.

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                No, what I’m saying is that you let yourself be controlled like a puppet when it comes to sources and information. Iraq, Afghanistan, “Collateral Murder,” the Guantanamo manuals, diplomatic cables—and you just brush them all off because of something completely different.

                And you wanna Talk about brainrot? So stupid It seems you’re the kind of person who would burn books, too.

                You’re basically telling that kind of content to “fuck off” https://youtu.be/zYTxuW2vmzk Omg

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            Having to choose between two of the worst people ever isn’t democratic to me. Clinton is a monster too, which is very obvious when you see people outside the US as human. Obviously Trump’s policies are even worse, but let’s not pretend you needed much help to get that pos elected when even after the files so many people over there still like him.

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                    No. I just think blaming Russia makes no sense when there’s a massive issue with billionaires buying up the media and supporting people like Trump, it feels like misplacing systemic blame on external actors, as if a friendlier relationship with Russia would fix the massive issued endemic to capitalism.

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          They are cross-posting the biggest bs from ml, and this is another example for this.

          Such post are apparently not news, the only intention is portraying the West as bad, and then portray China as the only alternative.

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            I crosspost all good non-tankie content

            This post is a privacy problem that is absolutely pervasive in all dystopian authoritarian or authoritarian-trending states to include China, Russia, US, NK, UK and now worrisomely the broader EU

            Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

            I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitilize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.

            Megathread on the issue

            Some highlights from the link:

            Dessalines, head .ml admin, lead Lemmy dev actively spreading genocide denialism https://sh.itjust.works/post/61371958

            .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

            “If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

            "Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

            “See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

            “NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

            General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

            And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

            I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

            On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

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              Everyone knows that already. This is 10 years old. If we all post things that old because they’re “absolutely pervasive” then Lemmy is a history archive or something.

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              It’s interesting that you are not a bot and have some purpose, but I’m blocking you anyway. Crossposts suck.

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            lemmy.ml is a general instance, the instance for MLs is lemmygrad.

            I understand if you’re frustrated about political stuff here, unfortunately things like privacy are extremely tied to politics and we can’t avoid that connection unless we avoid talking about privacy. And the first step to push back against surveillance is to be informed.

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              I am not frustrated about political stuff, it’s just that this is 10 years old. We all know this already.

              And lemmy/.ml maybe be ‘softer’ the the grads and bears, but you are also banned there if you criticize China. The mods there pursue the same pro-China, anti-democratic propaganda.