• VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world
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    I’m not a historian but I believe the sad truth is that they saw them like animals; capable of being trained to do jobs but not smart enough to understand more complex issues or choose the tasks themselves

    Like a dog. You can train your dog to guard your house or hunt birds but you probably don’t trust your dog to vote

    It’s fucked up

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    they are though.

    anyone who grew up in the american suburbs grew up with parents who couldn’t cook a proper meal despite the existence of cookbooks and were like ‘how about kraft dinner.’

    you think you eat kraft macaroni and cheese at a hood bbq?

    i’d rather have had a black woman cooking for me lol. are you fucking serious?

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    There is no ideology that cannot be ridiculed, no ideology where you cannot find retarded logic. And people who notice those problems in their own ideology usually just double down, get radical, angry and defensive.

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    There are a few forms or levels of racism. There are people who really believe the narrative, some who question some of it, and others who are aware it’s bullshit but accept it because it benefits them or going against the narrative could be harmful for themselves. In short humans will craft whatever story they need to justify behavior they want without any concerns for logical consistency. You can see this behavior in racism now and of course many other aspects of society and human behavior. Humans are storytellers, more so than logical beings.

    Funny enough Benjamin Franklin has a short story on this. He as a vegetarian was lamenting his compatriots catching, killing, and cooking fish, listing all the reasons it’s immoral until he begins to smell the delicious fish and then starts writing about how maybe it’s not so bad, is fine, is even his god given right to eat the fish. The moral being humans can and will justify whatever they want to do. Also I’m aware of his own connection to slavery and inhumane practices.

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      If I remember correctly, mind you it’s been over two decades probably but the defining point at which he decides it’s okay to eat the fish is when he notices that the fish had been eating other fish when they fillayed it

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        Lol it’s probably been about as long for me since I read it. That sounds about right. It’s a good analogy though.

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        It’s just generally beneficial to be aware. Besides that, if you are interacting with someone who is bigoted in some way it’s useful to determine which type they are. If they are just sold to the narrative then it’s easier to open up their mind. If they are aware it’s bullshit that just benefits them then it’s pretty difficult.

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        Have you ever seen the movie Se7en with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman? I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t do what Brad Pitt did at the end of that movie. Not a single person. And I wouldn’t blame them either.

        Just the other day someone posted on here that their uncle died from covid after getting sucked into the alt-right pseudo-medicine rabbit hole. And the comments were all just vile shit like “I’m glad your dumbass uncle died” and “1 down only like 20 million to go”, “good riddance he deserved it” etc. And when I point out shit talking this guy for losing someone he loved is fucked up I get downvoted lol. We can’t even come together online, let alone in person.

        Whoever is running things know that we simply cannot get along, we cannot forgive each other, we cannot unite. It’s their greatest tool honestly. Could you forgive maga?

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        Those in power want to maintain power which is much easier if the people are divided, particularly on subjects not involving the people in power.

      • Well, fuck them. I don’t care how much money or power they have - there’s nothing they can do to stop me from being kind to strangers or giving to those in need. There’s not enough money in the universe to budge that.

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          Yeah, but they can create the conditions where altruism is a non beneficial trait that ultimately leads to your untimely end. The goal isn’t for them to personally intervene in people’s lives, just to create the conditions that are most desirable to maintain their own position.

          That’s why they’ve spent decades attacking the kindness of the working class. Turning the idea of charity into an insult, Christianity into prosperity Gospel, and being neighborly into an immigrant sympathizer. They want the lower class to idolize the same kind of disregard for empathy that made them rich to begin with.

          • Yeah, but they can create the conditions where altruism is a non beneficial trait that ultimately leads to your untimely end.

            Then I will end, with the world in a better place than when I began.

            The goal isn’t for them to personally intervene in people’s lives, just to create the conditions that are most desirable to maintain their own position.

            And in doing so they render themselves utterly powerless to stop people like me from doing good.

            That’s why they’ve spent decades attacking the kindness of the working class. Turning the idea of charity into an insult, Christianity into prosperity Gospel, and being neighborly into an immigrant sympathizer. They want the lower class to idolize the same kind of disregard for empathy that made them rich to begin with.

            You’re dead on about that. However, I also think this creates prime conditions for people who never had any intention of being good people to say “gee now I can’t be a good person, how terrible!” Well fuck that, I’m gonna do it anyway and laugh at the ultrarich who think their money and influence can accomplish anything they wish.

              • Yeah, it’s hard as fuck to go on when so many things are coming from so many directions, at so many levels, telling me to just fuck off and die. Student financial aid cuts, DEI cuts, degree program cuts, new laws against trans people activities, higher costs of living across the board, daily news of violence and unrest either started or supported by my government… the list just goes on and on. But you know what? I woke up today, and I’m gonna make it their fucking problem until I don’t.

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                  Yep, all you can do is your best. Just keep one foot in front of the other and you’ll eventually end up old and tired, but hopefully content and with a mostly clear conscience.

                  Things have always been more fucked up than the general public likes to acknowledge, but I do admit that I really feel for younger people. I’m middle aged and have seen a lot in my time, but it does seem like the kids are going to have an even tougher go at it than I did, which is saying a lot. At least I got to see the analog world, before the towers fell and America cranked the crazy to 11, a time before the end of history.

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          Don’t fuck billionaires. There needs to be an embargo on sex for billionaires.

          Imagine how drastically the world could change if they need to give away enough of their wealth to put them below $1B net worth before they can get laid again!

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      Better than being “sold down the river”. Very few people stand up and fight for the good, the true, and the just.

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    We all buy things from Capitalist companies? Are we stupid?

    We ignore incongruent views and opinions in order to get what we want. Not retarded, more opportunistic, and selectively ignorant.

    I eat meat, it’s killing the planet. Now and then I’ll get ChatGPT to summarize something. It’s killing the planet. I buy some 3M products, and drive a petrol based vehicle…

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      We all buy things from Capitalist companies? Are we stupid?

      We have no choice. Pretty sure keeping slaves was a choice.

      eat meat, it’s killing the planet

      Yes, that’s stupid. You’re stupid. You have options.

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        I mean, financially it wasn’t really a choice. Cotton wasn’t profitable without slavery. Inherit a cotton farm from your racist parents and capitalism would ensure the racism kept flowing.

        That’s why we had to force the issue in the first place, the south needed the institution of slavery, and wasn’t just fighting to defend slavery because they thought it was neat, it was because they needed it.

        No excuses, but when immoral behavior is profitable behavior, yes, people can get dependent.

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          financially it wasn’t really a choice.

          I’m really sorry sir, but to maintain my lifestyle I need you to be a slave.

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    Yes, yes they are.

    But that is a shit argument. I’m smarter than a dog, but I trust the dog guarding a property. Trust has nothing to do with intelligence.

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      But can you trust a dog organise your house, cook your food, educate your children and breastfeed your babies?

      Edit: extra phrasing added in italics

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    Read “The Autobiography of Malcolm X”

    Plenty of Black people were ready to accept the situation.

    Calling someone ‘African’ used to be a huge insult.